[Bf-cycles] Node names (two can have seemly same name and appearance)
Philipp Oeser
info at graphics-engineer.com
Sun Nov 3 14:05:27 CET 2013
Sorry, previous pic was a bit misleading (changed the operation _only_
on the collapsed nodes). This one is more consistent:
http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=61839
On Sun, 2013-11-03 at 13:46 +0100, Philipp Oeser wrote:
> Not sure about the two liner, but what we can do is draw the (collapsed)
> node a bit wider when the nodelabel gets longer? (patch below has
> functionality that does this when you collapse a node)
>
> http://www.pasteall.org/pic/61837
> (patch here http://www.pasteall.org/46982)
>
> Greetz
> Philipp
>
> P.S.: this doesnt seem to be specifically Cycles related btw. Its more
> general NodeEditor stuff. Maybe lukas_t can comment?
>
>
> On Sun, 2013-11-03 at 09:55 +0100, Constantin Rahn wrote:
> > I like this solution.
> >
> > Would it be possible to make it a two liner, with a break in case of
> > collapsed nodes?
> >
> > Happy blending
> > Conz
> >
> > Am 03.11.2013 00:35, schrieb Philipp Oeser:
> > > Hm, gave it a quick go, not sure if this is a step forward.
> > > The default collapsed node seems too small to show _both_ nodetype and
> > > operation (even though when the collapsed node is resized in width it
> > > works quite well...) Anyways, if in doubt, I would prefer operation as
> > > well.
> > >
> > > Have a look here: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/61802
> > > (patch here if someone wants to experiment more with this
> > > http://www.pasteall.org/46976)
> > >
> > > Greetz
> > > Philipp
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 21:00 +0100, Gottfried Hofmann wrote:
> > >> On 11/02/2013 07:42 PM, Greg Zaal wrote:
> > >>> Could we just make the automatic label something like "Mix - Multiply"?
> > >> That is a very good idea indeed!
> > >>
> > >> Gottfried
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> I'm actually not particularly bothered by this, people who get confused
> > >>> by it are only confused once, and then know it. In this case I'd say
> > >>> favour the experienced users and leave it as-is, or compromise and make
> > >>> everyone happy with the cost of a longer label.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 2 November 2013 19:18, Piotr Adamowicz <padamowicz at gmail.com
> > >>> <mailto:padamowicz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> If the problem is making it easy for beginners to find the nodes, then
> > >>> perhaps the solution would be to move the math node into its own
> > >>> section and add a menu item for each of its modes while keeping the
> > >>> math node itself as is? That way the beginners would find it easily
> > >>> and the regular users would still keep their useful labels.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 6:13 PM, ishly habib <ishrox123 at gmail.com
> > >>> <mailto:ishrox123 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>> > I think that it would be enough if the search would understand
> > >>> add as a
> > >>> > version of the mix node and pop-up because the typical thing for
> > >>> a beginner
> > >>> > to do when I can't find the node is to search it. The solution of
> > >>> headers is
> > >>> > clunky in my opinion. if that matters
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On 01/11/2013 10:38 pm, "Brecht Van Lommel"
> > >>> <brechtvanlommel at pandora.be <mailto:brechtvanlommel at pandora.be>>
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> I'm not sure I agree, if you build a setup with math or color mix
> > >>> >> nodes it's quite tedious to have to rename them manually I would
> > >>> >> think? Although perhaps this is a non-issue for typical users,
> > >>> just in
> > >>> >> my experience I quite like this renaming.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Perhaps we should have tooltips when you are over a node (header),
> > >>> >> with the node name and description of the node, that would solve the
> > >>> >> issue in a different way.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Brecht.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:07 AM, Greg Zaal <gregzzmail at gmail.com
> > >>> <mailto:gregzzmail at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>> >> > Hey David,
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > I agree, it's especially difficult for beginners to look at
> > >>> someone's
> > >>> >> > node
> > >>> >> > setup and wonder where this weird "Modulo" node (for example)
> > >>> comes from
> > >>> >> > that they can't find in the menus. The title of the node should be
> > >>> >> > displayed
> > >>> >> > exactly how it is in the Add menu, and only change when the user
> > >>> >> > explicitly
> > >>> >> > changes it's label in the properties region.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > It's not cycles specifically, but also the compositing (and I
> > >>> assume
> > >>> >> > texture) nodes as well that have this issue.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Cheers,
> > >>> >> > Greg
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > On Nov 1, 2013 6:08 AM, "David Black" <db4tech at yahoo.co.uk
> > >>> <mailto:db4tech at yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> Apologies, I do have dyslexia, subject should read...
> > >>> seemingly not
> > >>> >> >> seemly.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> The following line should read...
> > >>> >> >> (While nodes are collapsed) it becomes possible for math and
> > >>> vector
> > >>> >> >> math
> > >>> >> >> nodes to have a seemingly identical name and appearance.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> I notice the two nodes in question have different socket
> > >>> inputs which
> > >>> >> >> helps differentiate to some extent, still like how other
> > >>> nodes provide
> > >>> >> >> header names rather than function, this in itself is of course
> > >>> >> >> subjective.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> David
> > >>> >> >> --
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> 3d-designs-davidblack.blogspot.com
> > >>> <http://3d-designs-davidblack.blogspot.com>
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> On 01/11/2013 03:38, David Black wrote:
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> Hi Brecht and other mailing list members.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> While we are discussing nodes, what are peoples thoughts on
> > >>> >> >> Converters\Math node displaying 'Math' and Converters\Vector Math
> > >>> >> >> displaying
> > >>> >> >> 'Vector Math' for their node names?
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> They are the only two nodes which change name depending on their
> > >>> >> >> function,
> > >>> >> >> while I can see this is useful, it can also cause identification
> > >>> >> >> difficulties. (While nodes are collapsed) it becomes possible
> > >>> for math
> > >>> >> >> and
> > >>> >> >> vector math nodes to have an identical name and appearance.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> With all other nodes displaying header names rather than
> > >>> function,
> > >>> >> >> would
> > >>> >> >> adding header names to these two nodes help with
> > >>> identification and
> > >>> >> >> maintain
> > >>> >> >> consistency?
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> Thank you for your time,
> > >>> >> >> David
> > >>> >> >> --
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> 3d-designs-davidblack.blogspot.com
> > >>> <http://3d-designs-davidblack.blogspot.com>
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>
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