[Bf-compositor] use alpha premultiplication in linear Color Space?

[Francesco Paglia]

After a discussion on blendercoders I understood why I had to add the
premult node at the beginning and at the end of my nodetree.

The fact is that combine and separate rgba do not take into account any
property of the input.
The separate don't know if an input have associated or unassociated alpha
and the combine strictly act as a "container of independent channels" that
have to be further recombined.
This drive to the need of unassociate the alpha at the beginning of the
tree and to reassociate it at the end of the modification of the alpha
channel to make it properly working.

I got confused because after combining the channels previously separated I
have not get any of the result I could expect but an image equal to the
original...
Here what I could expect:

1° the correct image with a lower alpha intensity
2° an image with a lower alpha and black artifact
3° a fully opaque rgb image (equal to the orginal but with black color
where the alpha should be) with an unassociated alpha

Since non of those result came up to me I started thinking in a wrong way
that lead me to write the original post.
After a bit of discussion most of the question have been solved but after
further thinking and with the discussion in mind I'm even more convinced
that with my setup I should have get the third result.

I think there's still some issue in the combine rgba node.



2014-04-04 14:37 GMT+02:00 Francesco Paglia <f.paglia.80 at gmail.com>:

> Hi Ton,
> let me say I used the term Fade because I was used to it coming from other
> Compositing packages.
> I mean the value of a pixel of a channel multiplied by another value
> should output the result of the multiplication .
> Alpha over comes later... after this operation!
>
> I think an image would explain much more than 100 words especially if my
> jargon isn't really appropriate :)
>
>
> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-f-dm0O5h_qs/Uz6nQz4s9qI/AAAAAAAAI14/CsFT1RmOzmw/w1358-h309-no/noprem.png
>
>
>
>
> 2014-04-04 13:45 GMT+02:00 Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org>:
>
> Hi,
>>
>> "Fade" can mean too many things.
>> You mean: "Image should become transparent - during an alpha-over
>> operation"?
>>
>> Well to start with - such effects look much different in linear, than in
>> non-linear spaces.
>>
>> And realize: premultiplied RGBA = alpha should not be changed. Not!
>> Straight alpha - yes, that you can do with what you like.
>>
>> -Ton-
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> Ton Roosendaal  -  ton at blender.org   -   www.blender.org
>> Chairman Blender Foundation - Producer Blender Institute
>> Entrepotdok 57A  -  1018AD Amsterdam  -  The Netherlands
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 Apr, 2014, at 13:25, Francesco Paglia wrote:
>>
>> > Hi, hope I used a right title for this topic.
>> > I've just setup a simple nodegroup to make a fade node.
>> > Here the tree:
>> >
>> >
>> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Mos7IL6bx4E/Uz6VHnKqZ3I/AAAAAAAAI1U/zJJ7zOFnRWQ/w1176-h368-no/fade_nodesetup.png
>> >
>> > As input of this group I've a renderlayer, if I'm not wrong the
>> compositor works with a linear workflow so why I have to add make alpha
>> straight at the beginning and a premultiply at the end to make it working
>> properly?
>> >
>> > Thanks for your help
>> > Francesco
>> >
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