[Bf-committers] Deprecation of Phabricator

[Aaron Carlisle]

I did a little bit of digging into GitLab and found out that they have a
special program for open source projects [1].
This gives access to their "Ultimate" tier for free and looks like
something we should look into.
Part of the program also includes migration support which will be
beneficial as well.

A couple of requirements are needed to be eligible, including participating
in joint events/marketing [2].
They do not go into any details about what this means which means we will
want to reach out to them
for clarification and decided if this is something the Blender Foundation
would like to support.

1. https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/
2. https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/partners/

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 8:20 AM Bastien Montagne via Bf-committers <
bf-committers at blender.org> wrote:

> FYI, here is the (exhaustive and extensive) list of gitlab features,
> with their support in free/premium/ultimate plans:
>
> https://about.gitlab.com/features/
>
> On 6/4/21 10:15 AM, Dalai Felinto via Bf-committers wrote:
> > Hi Sebastian,
> >
> > Which features you are referring to? CI/CD?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Dalai-
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Dalai Felinto - dalai at blender.org - www.blender.org
> > Blender Development Coordinator
> > Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands
> >
> >
> > Op do 3 jun. 2021 om 18:43 schreef Sebastian Parborg via Bf-committers <
> > bf-committers at blender.org>:
> >
> >> Just to keep everyone up to speed:
> >>
> >> We talked a bit more on blender.chat and currently we are a bit
> sceptical
> >> if we should go with gitlab as we might want to use some of its premium
> >> features. Those are not part of the open source core, so that means
> >> those are not free and open source software.
> >>
> >> Therefore we are still going to evaluate other alternatives as well and
> >> see which one gives us as much freedom and features as possible.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Sebastian Parborg
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 11:26:35AM +0200, Ton Roosendaal via
> Bf-committers
> >> wrote:
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I regularly have discussions with people around me about our
> >>> infrastructure. For as long Blender has been open source, almost 20
> >>> years, I've always pushed for the highest level of independence from
> >>> external service providers, specifically when it comes to our core
> >>> activities.
> >>>
> >>> That comes at a price though. I'm aware of the great set of tools that
> >>> are being offered by Github nowadays. They make a good product. But I
> >>> also see how such services take away essential freedoms from
> developers.
> >>> If your activities becomes cloud based (compiling, testing, debugging,
> >>> deploying) you allow a lot of control over your project by a third
> party.
> >>>
> >>> This doesn't make Github bad by itself, please use it if you wish. It
> >>> just means (for us) to keep the focus on our mission - which is to
> >>> further the freedom for everyone to make and use open source 3D
> >>> technology. That freedom applies to artists as well as developers. Or
> >>> said differently;
> >>>
> >>> - everyone should have the freedom to develop Blender and participate
> in
> >>> blender.org projects.
> >>>
> >>>   From the information I have, Gitlab seems to offer exactly what we
> need
> >>> for Blender to remain independent, keep up with the latest trends for
> >>> engineering and to offer this to an online community with a free/open
> >>> source license.
> >>>
> >>> I look forward to a further investigation of this topic. Meanwhile I
> can
> >>> reach out to Gitlab to check on what support they're willing to offer
> to
> >> us.
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> -Ton-
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> Ton Roosendaal - ton at blender.org - www.blender.org
> >>> Chairman Blender Foundation, CEO Blender Institute / Studio
> >>> Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 31/05/2021 18:26, Sergey Sharybin via Bf-committers wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> Just wanted to let everyone know that today Phacility announced that
> >>>> development of Phabricator is phasing out [1] [2].
> >>>>
> >>>> This does not affect the Blender project immediately, but we need to
> >> find a
> >>>> solution to the situation (be it a fork of Phabricator, or be it a
> >>>> migration to some other platform). There is no plan of action yet, it
> >> will
> >>>> be looked into in the coming time. We will keep you posted with
> >> updates on
> >>>> the topic.
> >>>>
> >>>> Would like to mention that Sebastian Parborg together with Dalai are
> >>>> working on a plan of action. At some point we'll share it with Blender
> >>>> developers, triagers, and the community. So don't be surprised :)
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]
> >>>>
> >>
> https://admin.phacility.com/phame/post/view/11/phacility_is_winding_down_operations/
> >>>> [2] https://secure.phabricator.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> - Sergey -
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> Sergey Sharybin - sergey at blender.org - www.blender.org
> >>>> Principal Software Engineer, Blender
> >>>> Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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Aaron Carlisle

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