[Bf-committers] Blender 2.8 - priorities reconsideration proposal (revised)

[Jacob Merrill]

for new tool system,
I have been toying with an idea for upbge

https://youtu.be/vgXHhty9Bec

basically
kdtree = kdtree.FromMesh() # accelerated rebuilding tree

math = (some c friendly api for applying math)
mesh.stroke(math,kdtree.kd.find_range(strokeCenter, radius))

to be able to select and effect large sets of data, in py without needing a
addon.

'tool tips'


On Nov 20, 2017 4:26 PM, "Julian Eisel" <eiseljulian at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Parts of the new tool-system may indeed be a can of worms. So agree,
> it might be better to postpone it.
>
> I don't think the part of the top-bar with the operator redo settings
> should be postponed though. I've already done most of the work, and I
> think it's a small task to get the rest done. At the same time,
> outcome could be great.
> To not spam this thread with top-bar discussion, I created a separate
> thread in bf-interface
> https://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-interface/2017-November/000272.html
> .
> I will try to get further testing & feedback to see how far it is from
> being done.
>
> It also bothers me to still not see a proper mention of the keymap
> revamp. "Workspace specific keymaps" would only be (minor) overrides
> to the default keymap per workspace. Ton pointed out the keymap
> changes may be part of templates. However, I think it really is its
> own project.
> Remember, redesigning our default keymap is unlikely to happen before
> 3.0 if we fail to deliver it for 2.8. At the very least, we should
> discuss if this is acceptable or not.
>
> Cheers
> - Julian -
>
> On 20 November 2017 at 20:30, Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > There's a mixup of two bars here.
> >
> > We still get a bar to select scene, layer, workspace, mode, but the 2nd
> bar with operator redo, and tool buttons (operator widget system) gets
> postponed. A revision of the tools and operator system is going to be a can
> of worms and hard to do well. Needs more design time, a reason we postpone
> it.
> >
> > Note: nothing gets cancelled - it's also a productivity workflow trick
> (for developers). Get first something done and finish it entirely. Not as
> in 'coder says he's done' but as in 'happy and productive users'. I think
> that's the gist of Agile Development :)
> >
> > -Ton-
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > Ton Roosendaal  -  ton at blender.org   -   www.blender.org
> > Chairman Blender Foundation, Director Blender Institute
> > Entrepotdok 57A, 1018 AD, Amsterdam, the Netherlands
> >
> >> On 20 Nov 2017, at 20:01, Aaron Carlisle <carlisle.b3d at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am really surprised to see that the top-bar is being dropped for the
> >> initial release as it seems to me that most of the work is done or
> close to
> >> it with only a couple of design issues to be fixed.
> >>
> >> Also, I do not see any mention of the asset engine. Is this still a
> target
> >> or has this been dropped?
> >>
> >> Aaron Carlisle
> >>
> >> Picture taker | Bit cruncher | Pixel pusher | Document writer | Artist
> >> Project administrator for the Blender 3D Documentation Project
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Dalai,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the update. The first version was a bit confusing indeed.
> (as
> >>> if some targets got cancelled)
> >>>
> >>> I fully agree on keeping the focus as narrow and feasible as possible.
> The
> >>> targets for 2.8 are very intimidating and complex. Let's now first
> finish
> >>> all current ongoing projects and make it ready for daily use.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> -Ton-
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>> Ton Roosendaal  -  ton at blender.org   -   www.blender.org
> >>> Chairman Blender Foundation, Director Blender Institute
> >>> Entrepotdok 57A, 1018 AD, Amsterdam, the Netherlands
> >>>
> >>>> On 20 Nov 2017, at 17:56, Dalai Felinto <dfelinto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> *[Note: The first version I sent was a bit unclear, so this is the
> one to
> >>>> be considered instead.]*
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>> While we are strong in our goal to release Blender 2.8 next year, we
> kept
> >>>> adding project targets for it at a growing pace. Now it is the time
> to go
> >>>> back and reconsider our priorities.
> >>>>
> >>>> Blender 2.8 is not ready for production work yet. This makes the
> timing
> >>> not
> >>>> right for the development to drive enough interest from everyone. And
> it
> >>>> doesn’t make sense to pursuit the new Blender without our users and
> >>>> volunteers to push the design of core components further.
> >>>>
> >>>> Therefore we are postponing as current 2.8 technical targets:
> >>>>
> >>>> * Top bar
> >>>> * Manipulators
> >>>> * Tools
> >>>> * Workspace specific keymaps, add-ons.
> >>>>
> >>>> Manipulators and tools will still be around as an API for add-ons. So
> >>> users
> >>>> can still experiment with custom manipulators, facemaps and the tool
> >>> system.
> >>>>
> >>>> That also means we can focus our strength on wrapping up the following
> >>>> projects:
> >>>>
> >>>> * Finish workspaces (move object mode to workspace and polish
> interface)
> >>>> * Collections, layers (user interface and groups)
> >>>> * Eevee (feature polishing, performance)
> >>>> * Drawing engines (Workbench engine)
> >>>> * Modes (move settings to workspace, final overlay settings design)
> >>>> * OpenGL offline render
> >>>> * Multi-window (OpenGL non-shared resources manager)
> >>>> * Static ID Override (replace proxies)
> >>>> * Asset/preset browsing
> >>>> * Templates (built-in support as with 2.79, none distributed by
> default).
> >>>> * Grease pencil objects (draw engine, tools)
> >>>> * Dependency graph improvements + copy on write
> >>>> * Dynamic overrides
> >>>>
> >>>> Once these projects are on track (or finished), the postponed targets
> >>> will
> >>>> come back. This also depends on how many people can work on the
> projects.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> Dalai
> >>>> --
> >>>> blendernetwork.org/dalai-felinto
> >>>> www.dalaifelinto.com
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