[Bf-committers] blender as ui for game engine

[Jacob Merrill]

Some people will get angry, but I think step 1 here is actually turning the
game engine (BGE) into a addon,
and exposing all the same data that the game engine needs to run to any
engine,

this could actually speed development of the game engine, as you could
download a addon version and try it without compiling
a whole version of blender for each change,

AND you could use other addons that leverage the same data?

How feasible is this?

Owen Hogarth -> What physics engine are you using? GLSL ? may I see your
git etc? youtube?




On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Owen Hogarth II <gurenchan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've seen these projects before and they fail to tackle the root issues
> make it difficult for blender code to be used in any serious projects.
>
> These projects are basically glue code like jni to c in java, it's hard to
> maintain and very brittle. Every little change that happens in blender they
> have to do a lot of work to maintain their projects.
>
> The main issue is that the internals of blender needs to be reorganized a
> bit. It can be reorganized without changing the outward interfaces so all
> the current code will still compile and work but i'm sure you guys on this
> team know that diving into that c code is not for the faint of heart also
> the massive cmake build system.
>
> cmake is great and I use it now but the first time I looked at the blender
> source tree i was truly lost. I took some time to learn how to use cmake in
> a non trivial way, see how the blender source is laid out. A lot of these
> projects use the python code which is okay in one way but there's no way
> your going to get python running in a portable cross platform way BUT the
> python api is just a wrapper around the c api which can work anywhere.
>
> That's the different approach that I've been taking and the reason that I
> haven't participated in those other projects. It's the internals of blender
> that needs to be reorganized to allow this to happen in a more seamless way
> not necessarily applying these seemingly quick but brittle fixes.
>
> Best,
> Owen
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Mitchell Stokes <mogurijin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Owen,
> >
> > Instead of creating yet another engine, how about make it easier for
> > Blender to be used as an editor/front end for various engines? There has
> > been some work on this front with the BlenderRealTimeEngine addon[0]
> (more
> > of a framework than an addon itself), and BlenderPanda[1], which uses the
> > BlenderRealTimeEngine addon to integrate Panda3D[3] as a render engine
> into
> > Blender.
> >
> > If you really want to make another engine, I have some ideas on that as
> > well. Either way, feel free to chat with me on IRC (my handle is Moguri).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mitchell Stokes
> >
> > [0] https://github.com/Kupoman/BlenderRealtimeEngineAddon
> > [1] https://github.com/Moguri/BlenderPanda
> > [2] https://www.panda3d.org/
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Owen Hogarth II <gurenchan at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi guys
> > >
> > > I initially spoke with ideasman on irc about 8-12 months ago about this
> > > idea and I wanted to message this list to see if I could get some
> > support.
> > >
> > > A lot of small teams and single dev guys use blender as a major part of
> > > their asset creation pipeline for their 2d/ 3d games but then they
> spend
> > a
> > > lot of time writing some editor for their game that usually bogs the
> > > project down.
> > >
> > > I'd like to create the engine that can run blender applications as
> stand
> > > alone games. BGE is currently working on an implementation but I think
> > that
> > > things can be done differently. Mainly that we do not need the entire
> > > blender python API in a game engine. Only the core blender api which is
> > > written in C although currently the source code at that level NEEDS
> some
> > > refactoring.
> > >
> > > I have personally written and published quite a few smaller games for
> > > android, ios and the blackberry platforms. So I know how to take an
> idea
> > > from start to finish but taking this on is a pretty big task and I
> would
> > > like to focus on taking this task to completion.
> > >
> > > That is what I would like to do, I would like the support of the
> blender
> > > community to get this done and so I am mailing here to ask for your
> > > support. Is this something that the blender community would be
> interested
> > > in supporting me while I work on it?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Owen
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