[Bf-committers] Big Blender User!!

Mon Apr 18 10:11:15 CEST 2016

Hi,

PSD is a proprietary format which is partially supported by OIIO, but
limited to just read (and still with some limitations about layers and
such). Writting is not supported by any opensource library of my knowledge,
so supporting PSD output from Blender at this point seems totally unlikely.

ICCs i'm not sure about. It's a confusing thing for artists, who never know
if there's any ICC in the file, whether it gets baked to data on re-save,
if it's being used on display and so on. Perhaps it could be supported in
Blender in a clear way, but that's not something priority to work on for
the core team.

If you really need CMYK, then perhaps some tweaks to TIFF output could be
considered. We already support CMYK TIFF input (AFAIK), and it should
support 16bit CMYK output. Otherwise you can already use PNG, TIFF, DPX and
just "bake" CMYK look into the actual data.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Dahlia Trimble <dahliatrimble at gmail.com>
wrote:

> As one who spent several years writing color printer drivers for ink-jet
> printing, I basically concur with Troy's process description. I might add
> that custom ICC profiles can be created for most printing pipelines fairly
> cheaply these days using low cost spectrophotometers which are specifically
> designed for this purpose. However, I would be surprised if print shops
> would accept CMYK images to print, you're likely better off giving them a
> high range RGB source file and letting them do the conversion.
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Troy Sobotka <troy.sobotka at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There is no such thing as “CMYK” any more than “RGB” is.
> >
> > In the same way that RGB defines three uniquely coloured lights for each
> of
> > red, green, and blue, so too does CMYK define a unique ink for cyan,
> > magenta, yellow, and black. In addition to this, you have to factor in
> the
> > colour of the paper, the ink response to paper, and light source.
> >
> > Given the above, there is no single method to convert to CMYK, and anyone
> > that tells you so is an idiot.
> >
> > There _is_ a method to properly do so has been around for a while; ICCs.
> >
> > If you would like to take something from Blender to print, there is only
> > one advisable method to do so (assuming you are using the default
> > configuration):
> >
> > 1) Tag / Attach an sRGB v2 profile to your rendered output.
> > 2) Use another tool to convert and prepare your image for print using the
> > proper ICC profile of your chosen printer. This considers the ink
> colours,
> > total area coverage of the printer (TAC), black point compensation (BPC),
> > etc. All of this will be in the ICC profile of your printer.
> >
> > Typically these days, for non professional printing, the print houses
> will
> > simply require you to ship your image in RGB with the colour space
> > information attached, which step (1) above would do. Preparing a document
> > ready for professional grade printing / rasterizing would require going a
> > step further and using the tagged image in a tool such as Scribus or
> > InDesign.
> >
> > TL;DR: There is no way to properly prepare an RGB image for print
> properly
> > from within software without leveraging proper and unique ICCs for each
> > printing context. Though beyond Blender's scope proper, it is painless
> with
> > a little knowledge and an external tool.
> >
> > With respect,
> > TJS
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016, 10:06 AM Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Perhaps you can open it in Krita and save as PS format? I know that
> Krita
> > > can read PS format files but I am not sure about saving them. In any
> case
> > > you might want to just switch to Krita.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Jens Verwiebe <info at jensverwiebe.de>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hmm
> > > >
> > > > I darkly remember i added one day psd format ( to oiio ? ) on mac ?
> > > > Or was it only import or i muddled somemething cause it was long time
> > > ago ?
> > > > Dalai was envolved too, so perhaps ask him if he remebers.
> > > >
> > > > Jens
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am 16.04.2016 um 10:45 schrieb Siva:
> > > > > Hi Stephen
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as I know
> > > > > not only blender, renders from any 3d Software is going to suffer
> the
> > > > same fate, when it comes to CMYK printing
> > > > > there is no software which renders to CMYK
> > > > >
> > > > > renders are very similar to photographs, they are stored internally
> > in
> > > > RGB and are not designed for CMYK
> > > > >
> > > > > like Bastien rightly said, exr would preserver all the data and
> hence
> > > > might ease your conversion process.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your printing people might be able to help you in easy and right
> > > > conversion process.
> > > > >
> > > > > and an addon to convert psd is again going to give you a PSD file
> in
> > > RGB
> > > > colorspace not CMYK. So technically there is not going to be any
> > > difference
> > > > >
> > > > > this is one of the articles about the topic
> > > > > http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=58907
> > > > >
> > > > > regards
> > > > > Sivaprasad Velayudhan
> > > > > Director - Operations
> > > > > Mob: +91 99400 14644
> > > > > Mail: siva at realworks.in
> > > > >
> > > > > Realworks Studios India Pvt Ltd.,
> > > > > 7/1, V.S.K. Building, Thondamuthur Road, Vadavalli
> > > > > Coimbatore - 641041
> > > > > Tamil Nadu
> > > > > India.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >
> > > > > From: "Bastien Montagne" <montagne29 at wanadoo.fr>
> > > > > To: bf-committers at blender.org
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 1:10:05 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Big Blender User!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I’d have expected EXR to be the format of choice here (assuming -
> and
> > > > > hoping - photoshop does open that format, either natively or
> through
> > > > > plugins)? Being an HDR floating point format, it should allow for
> any
> > > > > kind of color conversion with (nearly) no loss of quality. And it
> can
> > > > > store several render passes separately, which can also be quite
> > useful
> > > > > in post-process afaik…
> > > > >
> > > > > Le 16/04/2016 08:49, David McSween a écrit :
> > > > >> Perhaps cmyk conversion is hard but I wonder if you could apply a
> > lut
> > > > via
> > > > >> color managment before saving?
> > > > >> On 16 Apr 2016 4:06 pm, "Stephen Keeling" <
> skeeling221 at hotmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> My name is Stephen and I use Blender every day for personal use
> and
> > > > >>> business. I love Blender's open interface and customization that
> is
> > > > >>> available. The one thing I really am hoping to see every day is
> an
> > > add
> > > > on
> > > > >>> or system update that supports exporting or saving my blend file
> > into
> > > > a PSD
> > > > >>> instead of tiff or jpg or png. Adding a Photoshop add on or
> system
> > > > update
> > > > >>> would be extremely helpful!!!! For my business, I normally need
> to
> > > > convert
> > > > >>> every project into CMYK for print and that is where the colors of
> > the
> > > > RGB
> > > > >>> jpg are really screwed up and I spend hours recoloring my entire
> > > > Blender
> > > > >>> creation. Creating a PSD export would bypass all of this time and
> > > would
> > > > >>> help when trying to print any creation made in Blender.
> > > > >>> Thank you for your time and please consider this simple
> > add-on!!!!!!
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