[Bf-committers] BGE developer meeting 2015

Tue Apr 7 22:54:38 CEST 2015

Hi,

The meeting was very interesting although several important developers were
missing and therefore a decision could not be taken.
The different options were presented and their pros and cons were analysed.
Here is a link with a google doc where we put those pros and cons and also
the main guidelines of the discussion:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vqrt24yeyg85NmuhsLnBJhkHNuBmdQ7cZ377KPyl_tU

Thank you all, it is good too see the interest on the project and also the
possibles alternatives.

lordloki

2015-04-06 21:10 GMT+02:00 Jacob Merrill <blueprintrandom1 at gmail.com>:

> The game engine is in fact very good for making games,
> this is in the game engine, note its mostly mechanics at
> the moment.
> https://youtu.be/nuVyA3rNwRk
>
> and this is something I have been working on on and off for some time.
> a walking ragdoll. (A work in progress)
> https://youtu.be/qgc8V_ghl54
>
> I can do almost anything using bge python and logic....
>
> My only limits are to do with hardware mesh instancing and static draw call
> batching. also, you cant move the LOD center calculation,
> making sniping tricky, For this reason I wrote my own LOD and State LOD
> manager in python.
>
> the engine is strong though somewhat quirky.
>
> anyone who wants to edit that doc let me know by asking for edit rights,
>
> when I opened it to all, some one deleted the doc and wrote the bge is
> dead.
>  On Apr 6, 2015 12:00 PM, "Daniel Salazar - patazstudio.com" <
> zanqdo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jorge, I use the BGE as an interactive tool/controller for
> > projects. Not to make games really. So my feedback is based on that.
> >
> > IMO it's already pretty amazing. The work that has been done to the
> > API is very welcomed. Forget about logic bricks, using them is a
> > mistake, they may do your think but then extending or refactoring an
> > existing logic brick setup is a nightmare. The current bge API already
> > goes a long way in detaching from the logic bricks, please keep going
> > in that direction, there should be no need at all to use that limited
> > system :)
> >
> > best regards
> > Daniel Salazar
> > patazstudio.com
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 5:36 AM, Arnaud Loonstra <arnaud at sphaero.org>
> > wrote:
> > > I've been digging in the BGE a lot in the past. It has really struck me
> > > that there was such a lack of interest in the GameKit project. That
> > > project is really promising. It has a generalised approach therefore it
> > > started as IrrKit (using IrrLicht) and then moved to Ogre (OgreKit).
> > > There were talks of doing a native OpenGL backend. The code was well
> > > structered and easy to go through. In anyways it was very very close to
> > > BGE and Blender. Even enabled the LogigBricks. Their fatal descision -
> > > IMHO - was not having Python support. (only Lua) From a technical point
> > > of view this makes sense but then you fail to take a huge existing
> > > userbase into account. GameKit is still there, I really see no argument
> > > for not picking up that project. Just add python support with a
> wrapping
> > > bge module. Continue with OGRE (2.0 is on the way) or build a different
> > > backend (i.e. https://github.com/bkaradzic/bgfx or GL)
> > >
> > > Another project I don't see on the list is
> > > Urho3d.(http://urho3d.github.io/)  This is the project I'm currently
> > > following the most. Again no Python support but it could be added with
> > > not too much trouble.
> > >
> > > Yes python is not the fastest but python enables a bridge between many
> > > worlds other then gaming. Yes Lua can do this too, but it doesn't,
> > > period.
> > > I also wouldn't bet my money too much on gaming. With all available
> > > engine packages it is saturated. I don't know anybody using the BGE to
> > > build games but I do know a lot of people who do use the BGE for other
> > > purposes. IMHO the strength comes from 'realtime', not 'game'. Realtime
> > > can include game but not vice versa.
> > >
> > > I would have added this to the doc but need editing rights :)
> > >
> > > Rg,
> > >
> > > Arnaud
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2015-04-04 03:59, Jacob Merrill wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VcC6pREY9XcamXqBOmnrp2NparGT0N9BfXRG-IhaJ5c/edit?usp=sharing
> > >>
> > >> here is the same doc, opened back up for editing :D
> > >>
> > >> [BPR] is me....
> > >>
> > >> (thank you again for all of your hard work!)
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:48 PM, Jacob Merrill
> > >> <blueprintrandom1 at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Side note, that open doc has not been made available to people on
> > >>> blender
> > >>> artists that use the engine,
> > >>>
> > >>> "
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VVZAP0t5IZmGnwwHKSuo2FNn_7vnCb8BcKlMoymz9YI/edit?usp=gmail
> > >>> "
> > >>>
> > >>> I would have had a few things to say/add
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Jacob Merrill
> > >>> <blueprintrandom1 at gmail.com
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I think that modernizing the viewport of the current bge would
> > >>>> allow
> > >>>> projects that are greenlit to compete better in the wild,
> > >>>> there is also the newer bullet builds....
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I vote for refeactor and upgrade,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The current engine is useable currently,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1.Viewport upgrade
> > >>>> 2.bullet upgrade
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 3-Logic brick color coding system, and leave noodle highlighted
> > >>>> mode.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> #3 =if you could color the wires of logic, it makes it much easier
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> follow, there is a reason electricians use more then 1 color wire
> > >>>> :)
> > >>>> also hide by color would help a bunch.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> leave last noodle highlighted = makes it much easier to track down
> > >>>> in
> > >>>> complex systems.
> > >>>> On Apr 3, 2015 10:50 AM, "Jorge Bernal" <jbernalmartinez at gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi BGE/Blender developers,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> last BGE meeting was almost a year ago. I think that it's time to
> > >>>>> organize
> > >>>>> another one to put in line our ideas regarding the BGE's future
> > >>>>> ;-)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> In the last meeting (See [1] and [2] ) we exposed all the possible
> > >>>>> options
> > >>>>> that we had but we didn't take any decision. Now that the bug
> > >>>>> tracker is
> > >>>>> slowly again under control and we have more volunteers, I think
> > >>>>> that it's
> > >>>>> time to take that decision:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Basically, we have:
> > >>>>> 1- Rewrite/Refactor the current BGE
> > >>>>> 2- Integrate another game-engine (like Panda3D)
> > >>>>> 3- Leave the BGE as interactive tool.
> > >>>>> 4- Rewrite/Refactor current BGE + interactive tool + reuse code
> > >>>>> from
> > >>>>> blender (i.e new viewport code)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The only thing that we were all agreed was that we wanted a real
> > >>>>> game
> > >>>>> engine not a limited one focused on interactive tool :-).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Also, we would like to know the official BF position to be rowing
> > >>>>> all in
> > >>>>> the same direction.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Last time the meeting was at 21h UTC. If everyone agrees we can
> > >>>>> have a
> > >>>>> meeting this monday 6th at 21h UTC
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>> Jorge
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [1]  http://www.pasteall.org/52137 (irc log)
> > >>>>> [2]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VVZAP0t5IZmGnwwHKSuo2FNn_7vnCb8BcKlMoymz9YI/edit
> > >>>>> (document exposing all options and pro/cons)
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