[Bf-committers] BGE developer meeting 2015

[Arnaud Loonstra]

I've been digging in the BGE a lot in the past. It has really struck me 
that there was such a lack of interest in the GameKit project. That 
project is really promising. It has a generalised approach therefore it 
started as IrrKit (using IrrLicht) and then moved to Ogre (OgreKit). 
There were talks of doing a native OpenGL backend. The code was well 
structered and easy to go through. In anyways it was very very close to 
BGE and Blender. Even enabled the LogigBricks. Their fatal descision - 
IMHO - was not having Python support. (only Lua) From a technical point 
of view this makes sense but then you fail to take a huge existing 
userbase into account. GameKit is still there, I really see no argument 
for not picking up that project. Just add python support with a wrapping 
bge module. Continue with OGRE (2.0 is on the way) or build a different 
backend (i.e. https://github.com/bkaradzic/bgfx or GL)

Another project I don't see on the list is 
Urho3d.(http://urho3d.github.io/)  This is the project I'm currently 
following the most. Again no Python support but it could be added with 
not too much trouble.

Yes python is not the fastest but python enables a bridge between many 
worlds other then gaming. Yes Lua can do this too, but it doesn't, 
period.
I also wouldn't bet my money too much on gaming. With all available 
engine packages it is saturated. I don't know anybody using the BGE to 
build games but I do know a lot of people who do use the BGE for other 
purposes. IMHO the strength comes from 'realtime', not 'game'. Realtime 
can include game but not vice versa.

I would have added this to the doc but need editing rights :)

Rg,

Arnaud


On 2015-04-04 03:59, Jacob Merrill wrote:
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VcC6pREY9XcamXqBOmnrp2NparGT0N9BfXRG-IhaJ5c/edit?usp=sharing
>
> here is the same doc, opened back up for editing :D
>
> [BPR] is me....
>
> (thank you again for all of your hard work!)
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:48 PM, Jacob Merrill 
> <blueprintrandom1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Side note, that open doc has not been made available to people on 
>> blender
>> artists that use the engine,
>>
>> "
>> 
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VVZAP0t5IZmGnwwHKSuo2FNn_7vnCb8BcKlMoymz9YI/edit?usp=gmail
>> "
>>
>> I would have had a few things to say/add
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Jacob Merrill 
>> <blueprintrandom1 at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I think that modernizing the viewport of the current bge would 
>>> allow
>>> projects that are greenlit to compete better in the wild,
>>> there is also the newer bullet builds....
>>>
>>> I vote for refeactor and upgrade,
>>>
>>> The current engine is useable currently,
>>>
>>> 1.Viewport upgrade
>>> 2.bullet upgrade
>>>
>>> 3-Logic brick color coding system, and leave noodle highlighted 
>>> mode.
>>>
>>> #3 =if you could color the wires of logic, it makes it much easier 
>>> to
>>> follow, there is a reason electricians use more then 1 color wire 
>>> :)
>>> also hide by color would help a bunch.
>>>
>>> leave last noodle highlighted = makes it much easier to track down 
>>> in
>>> complex systems.
>>> On Apr 3, 2015 10:50 AM, "Jorge Bernal" <jbernalmartinez at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi BGE/Blender developers,
>>>>
>>>> last BGE meeting was almost a year ago. I think that it's time to
>>>> organize
>>>> another one to put in line our ideas regarding the BGE's future 
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> In the last meeting (See [1] and [2] ) we exposed all the possible
>>>> options
>>>> that we had but we didn't take any decision. Now that the bug 
>>>> tracker is
>>>> slowly again under control and we have more volunteers, I think 
>>>> that it's
>>>> time to take that decision:
>>>>
>>>> Basically, we have:
>>>> 1- Rewrite/Refactor the current BGE
>>>> 2- Integrate another game-engine (like Panda3D)
>>>> 3- Leave the BGE as interactive tool.
>>>> 4- Rewrite/Refactor current BGE + interactive tool + reuse code 
>>>> from
>>>> blender (i.e new viewport code)
>>>>
>>>> The only thing that we were all agreed was that we wanted a real 
>>>> game
>>>> engine not a limited one focused on interactive tool :-).
>>>>
>>>> Also, we would like to know the official BF position to be rowing 
>>>> all in
>>>> the same direction.
>>>>
>>>> Last time the meeting was at 21h UTC. If everyone agrees we can 
>>>> have a
>>>> meeting this monday 6th at 21h UTC
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jorge
>>>>
>>>> [1]  http://www.pasteall.org/52137 (irc log)
>>>> [2]
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VVZAP0t5IZmGnwwHKSuo2FNn_7vnCb8BcKlMoymz9YI/edit
>>>> (document exposing all options and pro/cons)
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