sergey.vfx at gmail.com
Sun Sep 14 21:04:18 CEST 2014
Sounds cool, only not sure why to define such a time constraints?
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Gavin Howard <gavin.d.howard at gmail.com>
> In reality, Ton, I sent that email only to you; I didn't know Sergey's
> address, I didn't want to spam the mailing list, and I was already too
> embarrassed. (So much for that.) So it's not Sergey's fault. And
> neither is it yours; I know you're busy, so I was planning on
> resending the email today anyways. But I should have sent it to the
> whole list. Yet another mistake. Sorry.
> The truth is that I'm not frustrated with you all. What did me in was
> going back through and trying to clean up the fixes as Sergey said. I
> thought I understood what he said, and I realized that I didn't. Like
> I said, it was my own incompetence at following simple instructions.
> Just to be clear, I never thought I was insulted. I simply get
> frustrated with myself quite easily, especially after last summer.
> Sergey, your clarifications helped. (I think.) Give me 24 hours to go
> back through and get it up to standard.
> God Bless,
> Gavin Howard
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Sergey Sharybin <sergey.vfx at gmail.com>
> > I didn't actually see your mail from monday. Either it got lost somewhere
> > in my client or i dunno.
> > As for the fixed bugs section it's not that bad actually, the stuff Ton
> > mentioned in the minutes are just guidelines for that page to make it
> > maintainable. It doesn't mean it's fully wrong or so. Main issue with the
> > page is that it lacks information about the revision range it's valid
> > So if you suddenly becomes busy and i (or cambo or whoever else) need
> > finish it -- it'll be rather tricky to figure out where to start. To
> > such issues, we put on the top of the page:
> > Changes from revision AAA up to BBB
> > It should be really easy for you to add information about revision your
> > list is updated to.
> > Other issue is that i saw quite a few fixes which were a fixes for new
> > stuff added to 2.72. We don't mention that in the change log. It should
> > easy for you again to just ignore such fixes for the rest of the
> > from now on up to the very release. We'll need to clean up existing list
> > from those fixes, but for that you can have at least mine help, and as
> > -- there could be more volunteers to help cleaning stuff up.
> > And the structure issue is also not that difficult to solve. It's just
> > matter of using old structure and copy-pasteing new fixes to it. Or
> > renaming the sections, so Modeling is more like a Mesh Editing,
> > is Node / Compositor and such. Sticking to some "standard" template is
> > for the readability of changes imo. And for this you can also use my help
> > or help from someone else in the community.
> > So to summarize, there is some clean up to be done on the fixes page, but
> > it's not that much of work and it doesn't mean you need to do it all
> > for sure help with the cleanups and so). And consider information from
> > Ton's mail about fixed bugs section as a guideline for the future work on
> > that section. Do not consider it as an insult on your work, we really
> > appreciate your help.
> > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org> wrote:
> >> Hi Gavin,
> >> Sorry, it's unfortunate that nobody replied to your mail from last
> >> I had no time either.The issue would/could have been easy to handle in
> >> though... asking sergey or campbell or me. I can only confirm they've
> >> very busy and didn't notice or forgot the mail.
> >> In any way - most important is to at least keep communicating! When that
> >> fails it's usually the core of the issues in a volunteering
> >> I'll ask Sergey to clarify the remarks I copied to the minutes.
> >> -Ton-
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> Ton Roosendaal - ton at blender.org - www.blender.org
> >> Chairman Blender Foundation - Producer Blender Institute
> >> Entrepotdok 57A - 1018AD Amsterdam - The Netherlands
> >> On 14 Sep, 2014, at 5:09, Gavin Howard wrote:
> >> > All,
> >> >
> >> > This is going to be a pretty weird email, but whatever.
> >> >
> >> > I've been using Blender for several years now, after being introduced
> >> > to it while at version 2.49. I used it a little, then set it aside for
> >> > a while. A year later, I came back to a wonderful 2.5x series. I was
> >> > excited, and because I /thought/ I could program, I wanted to help.
> >> >
> >> > I was /completely/ wrong about my skill.
> >> >
> >> > I bombed GSoC 2013, and as a result, I got super frustrated at myself
> >> > and went into "hiding". After a while, and more education, I decided
> >> > to do something a little more humble: the Release Notes.
> >> >
> >> > As you all know from last week's Developers' Meeting, I did the
> >> > Release Notes wrong, especially on the Bug Fixes page. I went back
> >> > through and tried to fix the problems, but my judgment is lacking, and
> >> > I'm sure that I didn't quite fix them. Quite frankly, I am frustrated
> >> > with my ineptitude yet again.
> >> >
> >> > I know that the Blender Foundation doesn't need my help, and at this
> >> > point, I am pretty sure my "help" is a burden in several ways. So I
> >> > really wonder if it would be better without me.
> >> >
> >> > I sincerely hope it hasn't been a burden in /every/ way. Regardless of
> >> > if I have or not, I think it's time I call it quits. I'm just not
> >> > competent enough to help out, even in a non-development role.
> >> >
> >> > I will finish out this release, but once 2.72 (and any 'a' or other
> >> > subsequent bugfix release) is out, I will not "help" out anymore. I'll
> >> > still be a user; Blender (and Cycles!) helped me secure a spot in
> >> > BYU's Animation Emphasis for the Computer Science major, and I don't
> >> > intend to stop using it. But my role in its development will
> >> > disappear.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, Campbell; I know you don't like doing those Release Notes.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for everything.
> >> >
> >> > God Bless,
> >> > Gavin Howard
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