[Bf-committers] These much talked tabs

Thomas Volkmann lists at thomasvolkmann.com
Tue Jan 21 14:02:59 CET 2014

I don't think it's possible to make everybody happy unfortunately.
Personally I love the idea of having  tabs and  I don't like to scroll down
(happy Softimage user).... but I wouldn't start a fundraiser for that, so you
are good to go.
I would start a fundraiser against icon-based menus though!!


> Paolo Acampora <palucam at gmail.com> hat am 21. Januar 2014 um 13:45
> geschrieben:
> 2014/1/19 Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org>
> >
> > - Ton Roosendaal expressed concerns that the new tabs are not clearly
> > presented (or even designed) well, which causes too much discussion and
> > opposition. Some people consider it work-flow centric, other see it as a
> > fixed navigation feature. Some think most tools should be now become
> > availble as button, others just want to be able to make custom tabs. Some
> > think it's only for the toolbar region, others think it now will be added
> > everywhere. Also the quite strong opposition against the "ui clutter" with
> > vertical bars has not answered to in a satisfying way yet.
> >
> > In order to respect our release cycles, this topic should have been
> > settled already... or we should postpone that to 2.71. It might be better
> > to have design and code teams explore ways to handle these tabs (and other
> > toolbar proposals) better.
> >
> > With the next "BCon" still 4 weeks away, we can wait a week with final
> > decions on planning here. Jonathan Williamson thinks he knows how to get
> > everyone (well almost all) happy with it. Will come back on the agenda to
> > decide next week.
> >
> >
> About these much discussed tabs, as a user and technical director I can't
> think any good of it. They don't address any need, don't really help the
> learning of blender, and make usage worse: you still have to know where
> buttons are, but unlike blender classic interface you have to reach the
> window boundary and click a tiny tab area instead than just scrolling down.
> What if the tabs don't fit in the screen? Then you have to both scroll AND
> click.
> I don't want to sound offensive to the efforts put into tabs developement,
> in fact what I see is not bad coding, but bad design, bad logic and a huge
> error in taking a critical decision so lightly. Why is even someone
> bothering with this? Did some blender user really say "Hey, you know, the
> program is great, but I need a further menu layer to access this simple
> action"? My impression is that the reason tabs are being implemented is
> only that other applications use tabbed menus and it looks cool (of course,
> not to me!). The current tab implementation resambles the Z-brush
> interface. Z-brush has probably the worse interface in the 3D universe, as
> many Z-users complain. If we really want to copy something we should look
> at acclaimed solutions, not such unfortunate lame inconvenience.
> I'm not UI fan-boy, blender could benefit a UI re-design, but not any UI
> design, especially not when there are not specific needs on stake.
> My two cents is that tabs should be put on hold until a complete review is
> done and such changes should never be done so hastily. Also, I'm willing to
> do a fund-raising for NOT-adding this feature.
> Paolo
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