[Bf-committers] Windows XP and the future of Blender

[Jürgen Herrmann]

Hi Ton,

Good to know! So Win 7 is the platform that most users seem to use and main focus should be to stay compatible with that. Win 8 and XP users are still more than all Linux users combined. So we'll have to support all these platforms for now. 
I'll recompile the VS2012 libs for x64 and x86 with the v110_xp toolset when I am back home to support all Win platforms.
We can still change that later, when win XP users get rare ;-)
I still think we should drop the VS2008 build system when everything works fine with VC2012. 
This enables us to clean up some vs2008 specific code, because vc11 supports the c++ standards much better than vc9.
And we don't have to maintain 4 versions of precompiled libs, just two.

Best regards,

Jürgen

Am 19.05.2013 um 12:28 schrieb Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org>:

> Hi,
> 
> OK here are the others too, fun to see:
> 
> http://www.blender.org/bf/Browser_Linux_Analytics.pdf
> http://www.blender.org/bf/Browser_OSX_Analytics.pdf
> 
> Browser type:
> http://www.blender.org/bf/Browser_Analytics.pdf
> 
> -Ton-
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Ton Roosendaal  -  ton at blender.org   -   www.blender.org
> Chairman Blender Foundation - Producer Blender Institute
> Entrepotdok 57A  -  1018AD Amsterdam  -  The Netherlands
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 May, 2013, at 12:22, Ton Roosendaal wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Here's the last month of Windows visitors for blender.org:
>> http://www.blender.org/bf/Browser_OS_Analytics.pdf
>> 
>> One million visits, 70% win7, 14% XP still.
>> 
>> -Ton-
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> Ton Roosendaal  -  ton at blender.org   -   www.blender.org
>> Chairman Blender Foundation - Producer Blender Institute
>> Entrepotdok 57A  -  1018AD Amsterdam  -  The Netherlands
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 May, 2013, at 3:07, bjornmose wrote:
>> 
>>> Well our statistics on world wide professionals ( using scientific 
>>> measuring software )  says:
>>> 
>>> 10% win7, 50% win XP, very few vista  the remains  even older :)
>>> and we do full support down to W2k. ( to Daniel  .. including Europe , 
>>> USA  and former UDSSR )
>>> How stupid is that to keep customers satisfied?
>>> 
>>> Dropping  Win8 support is no option, though  i hope it will be like 
>>> ignoring 'vista' for good.
>>> Says the next Win8 (X point anything internally ) will be as nice as Win 
>>> 7 was .. plus providing some nice new features.
>>> Please no OS  religions here, but fencing out XP users is suicide.
>>> 
>>> Am 17.05.2013 21:38, schrieb Damir Prebeg:
>>>> My advance apologies for this... After a few days of painful experience I
>>>> would strongly recommend dropping of Win8 support.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 17 May 2013 17:26, Daniel Genrich <daniel.genrich at gmx.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> +1 for that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dropping Win XP would be too soon since many people from south america
>>>>> and africa are still using Win XP.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 17.05.2013 15:25, schrieb Thomas Dinges:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> if we do that, we could only build 2 builds.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 32 bit: Compile with vc2008 for Windows XP and above
>>>>>> 64 bit: Compile with vc2012 for Vista x64 and above
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We don't need x64 build for Windows XP, XP x64 is maybe used by 0.1%.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This way all OS / bit configs would be served, and we don't have big
>>>>>> overhead.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 17.05.2013 15:14, schrieb Sergey Sharybin:
>>>>>>> Also, we could do some "gradual" drop: meaning if vc2012's builds would
>>>>> not
>>>>>>> be able to run on XP, we could compile two versions of blender -- one
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> msvc2008 and other one with msvc2012. We did quite the same thing with
>>>>>>> linux builds as well (building it against different libc version using
>>>>>>> older and newer gcc versions).
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