[Bf-committers] Reset to Defaults...

[Ton Roosendaal]

Hi,

A "Default" is a misleading word for this feature. What is "default render resolution" or "default color" even? Do you mean you want those values from your startup blend then?

What we do have in Blender code is an "Initialize" value. Such values are often arbitrary, and not often useful to restore to. And certainly not to name them "Default".

For more complex UIs (like simulation settings) we can much better use "presets" instead, to ensure a system itself is working on a predefined & tested way.

In case of very obscure settings that have a very narrow definition in general (time step particles) a tooltip can also clearly mark what it means, and what sane input values are. 

-Ton-

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Ton Roosendaal  Blender Foundation   ton at blender.org    www.blender.org
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On 28 Jan, 2013, at 9:24, Thomas Dinges wrote:

> Hi,
> I see the benefit of it, but I am not happy with the current 
> implementation: 
> http://projects.blender.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=32894&group_id=9&atid=127 
> (wrote a comment there).
> 
> Imho, this pollutes DNA too much, although it would be sufficient to add 
> the defaults in RNA only.
> 
> Best regards,
> Thomas
> 
> Am 28.01.2013 09:20, schrieb Bastien Montagne:
>> Yes, +1 for reset to default, I am frustrated too when I want to go back
>> to reasonable values, sometimes…
>> 
>> On 28/01/2013 09:01, Bassam Kurdali wrote:
>>> +1
>>> It's also the only sane way to deal with the layer buttons in dupligroup
>>> visibility .
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 01:43 -0500, PabloVazquez.org wrote:
>>>>> From a user perspective, 'Restore to Defaults' is very, very useful.
>>>> Especially for beginners, but even from an "advanced" user perspective.
>>>> 
>>>> Not all settings have a 0 or 1 value, there are certain options that have a
>>>> very specific value by default**, and there are reasons for that.
>>>> 
>>>> After playing around with the sliders sometimes you forget what the default
>>>> was, and want to go back to a "reasonable" value. I usually just open a new
>>>> Blender and check there, but having a "Reset to Default" setting is more
>>>> convenient.
>>>> 
>>>> **many options come to mind, for example how to remember that the default
>>>> amount of minimum bounces on cycles is 3? Or that the default density for
>>>> smoke domain's raising speed is -0.0010? This slider goes from -5.0 to 5.0.
>>>> Same for simulation timestep for particles physics, default is 0.040, but
>>>> this slider goes from 0.010 to 10.000.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway these are just a few, but these examples are all over Blender.
>>>> 
>>>> +1 on having a default value.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Pablo Vazquez
>>>> CG Artist - Blender Foundation Certified Trainer
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/venomgfx
>>>> Blender Network: http://blendernetwork.org/member/pablo-vazquez
>>>> E-mail: contact at pablovazquez.org
>>>> Website: http://www.pablovazquez.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Campbell Barton<ideasman42 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I talked with Ton about this and he suggest to remove the 'Restore to
>>>>> Defaults' button.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can you give some good examples as to why its needed?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Harley Acheson
>>>>> <harley.acheson at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Being able to right-click on UI elements, select "Reset to Defaults" and
>>>>>> have it do so
>>>>>> (instead of setting to zeros) has been a long-standing "to do" item.  It
>>>>>> took very many
>>>>>> hours but I did so for over 200 of the most obvious defaults. I then
>>>>>> changed the way it was
>>>>>> done as per a request by Campbell, then changed it again as per Brecht.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It has been languishing in the tracker for 3 months now.  It is 185k,
>>>>>> affects many files, and
>>>>>> it will only get harder to commit as more times passes. Needless to say I
>>>>>> will be a bit
>>>>>> disappointed if it just becomes stale and is forgotten.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> http://projects.blender.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=32894&group_id=9&atid=127
>>>>>> Cheers, Harley
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>>>>> --
>>>>> - Campbell
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