[Bf-committers] Floating buttons proposal

Michael Fox mfoxdogg at gmail.com
Sat Jun 16 00:02:27 CEST 2012

OK this has gone on long enough, not only have you ignored one of the 
greatest minds we have, but you want to thrown away all of our own work 
which is based on dozens of studies with your 'looks fancy' ideas not 
knowing what is underneath, your arrogance is mighty impressive.

What you are planning is to do a gnome3 on us and here is the new UI 
like it or lump it. Now with all your patches and proposals you have 
done so far lack 1 crucial element which blender is renowned for and 
that is freedom, freedom to mould and define what the user wants blender 
to do and none of your patches have an option to turn it off, its seems 
to me that you think you are above the the user and the user will like 
what you give them without question.

with 2.5 drawing was disconnected from data, so you can have multiple 
drawing kernels and choose what one you want, like replace normal menus 
with radial menus (if someone is willing to code it), so what you are 
proposing is NOT floating panels but a whole drawing kernel, when the 
term floating panels is used in blender world, its the floating panels 
in the pre-2.5 era, not these proposals which have NOT been approved.

And on that note I would like to see your approved GSoC targets and 
detailed descriptions of each and why, and I am sure a lot of others on 
this list would like to see that as well

On 16/06/12 05:00, Jorge Rodriguez wrote:
> The purpose of floating controls is to allow designs from the proposals of
> persons like:
>     - Bill Reynish<http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J4mFuYz0ZBU/TqRngF0eagI/AAAAAAAAAJw/2LASnxw262k/s1600/Blender_ui_cleanup.jpg>(On
> the left of the 3D view)
>     - Myself<http://i.imgur.com/ErmDd.png>  (On the bottom of the 3D view)
>     - Leeroy/LCG<http://i.imgur.com/Lxqn1.jpg>  (Along the top)
> My proposal doesn't include any specific designs, only the ability to
> create them through scripting. The 'T' toolbar would likely be replaced
> entirely by some sort of floating control arrangement. The end result would
> be more space available for the user. The "previous operator" panel is in
> my opinion a good workflow idea with a failed design implementation, and we
> should experiment with other
> ways<http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4205810/blender-opstack.png>of doing it,
> which would be supported by the floating controls structure.
> I think that not having pixel locations, while it makes sense with the
> properties panels, may not make so much sense here. Some designs, such as
> the third, may not boil down to just a row or column of buttons. These
> designs won't change all that often, so I don't think adding one button
> between others is a use case that we need to be more concerned about. To
> zoom, the layout engine can simply scale the pixel locations and sizes. We
> can include the ability to arrange buttons in rows and columns as well, but
> I think pixel locations is a good idea.
> Note: Undocking a panel is another thing to do on my list, but it's not
> part of this proposal.
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Brecht Van Lommel<
> brechtvanlommel at pandora.be>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I'm missing details on how you interact with these floating things, a
>> mockup, an example for how they would be used, etc. For me it seems
>> that this would be another way to present what we already have in
>> panels and menus. So how do these coexist, what goes where? Right now
>> we basically have a toolbar, a redo panel, and properties of the
>> space.
>> Could they be some sort of region inside a space like we have now, but
>> overlayed with a transparent background?
>> Also explicit values for pixel sizes should be avoided in scripts,
>> that doesn't work well with a zoomable interface, and makes it more
>> complicated to drop in a button between others. It's nice to allow
>> flexibility but in the end I think you mostly want e.g. a row of icons
>> for a toolbar, or undocking some panel, .. ? So it may not need that
>> many layout code changes, that seems lower priority to me.
>> Brecht.
>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Jorge Rodriguez
>> <jorge at lunarworkshop.com>  wrote:
>>> As part of my GSoC I'm going to be implementing some floating buttons in
>>> the 3D view. It should help with usability, with reducing clutter in the
>>> properties/tool panels, and with tablet users. I'd like some Blender devs
>>> to please review it and make comments so that I can revise it before it's
>>> updated.
>>> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Vino/Floating_Buttons_Proposal
>>> Thank you.
>>> --
>>> Jorge "Vino" Rodriguez
>>> jorge at lunarworkshop.com
>>> twitter: VinoBS
>>> 919.757.3066
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