[Bf-committers] blender UI state

[Mango Jambo]

Hi all,

I agree with Campbell that we need to focus step by step to easily and
faster improves the UI, even knowing planning the whole picture is good for
consistency.
I love this solution:
http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/File:UI_proposal_tabs_lists_outliner_etc_vildanovak.pdf
My work today is all about 90% Blender. (10% Facebook.... no, just kidding)
And one of the most annoying thing is to scroll up and down all day the
propriety panel. And the sections are hard to be recognized. At 2.4x
version was easier to fast identify each one section (There was box with
borders, tabs and better highlighted titles).
IMHO, this is far away the best solution for proprieties panel (Please,
check the page 3). Reasons:
- Easily to memorise the sections/categories places on the tabs
(Consistency and spacial memory);
- No more scrolling all the time to search your options;
- More space left to increase Outliner area.

Some people would say they can´t see all the proprieties at once on this
proposal, or even to have to do more clicks now to access the options that
they want. For me, this clicking still better than scrolling and the
separated visual is more organized than all in one.

Maybe, as an option, we could agree with Greeks and Trojans making a better
highlighted section titles and get back the section tabs, like 2.4x (ok,
now you can throw the rocks).
But, for me, Vilem Novak idea is the best solution for the current problem.

Cheerios.

Moraes Junior - aka mangojambo
Animator & 3D Artist
+55 43 88133399 <http://www.oniria.com.br>


On 30 January 2012 10:20, Vilem Novak <pildanovak at post.cz> wrote:

> I would like to thank everybody who contributed to the discussion,
> there's clearly visible interest in improving the UI,
>  and I consider good proposals for the UI a valuable work for the
> community.
> I apologize for not having really time until today to make myself a big
> picture,
>  read all the mails in the thread and look into the proposals.
>
> Mindrones, thanks for taking up the task of ordering the ideas on the
> wiki, so much,
> and  big thanks to Jorge Rodriguez!
>
> I've also made a proposal some time ago, which is located here:
>
> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:2.5/Source/Development/Proposals/UI/December_2010_-_Vilem_Novak
>
> It proposes some solutions for tabs, scrollability, last operator area,
> sroll areas and a bit more.
> But I saw some very similar ideas are allready on the wikipage you
> started, which made me really happy.
> I really like the problem -> possible solutions approach.
>
> Regarding UI decisions - I think there should be a board of advanced users
> who use blender everyday for production,
>  who could be contacted by devs for specific questions on which solution
> of the problems to choose.
>  Why advanced users? Optimal workflow is much more important than first
> impression and is what
> makes a long time effect on the size of real user community. If you have a
> good first impression but in
>  a few weeks you discover how many things are hard to reach, it's much
> worse than overcoming initial
> confusion with the help of good tutorials and then feel the bliss of
> having your work done effectively and fast.
>
> Also, the need to compress things together surprises me, as if somebody
> still would think all the blender data can fit in the
> screen. - Of course it can, but then everything can look like the super
> awesome layers button. (I hope the sarkasm is clear
> here). This button, Toggles instead of checkboxes, columns, compressed
> buttons with 2 letters on them - that is still old
> blender style. And as history showed, squishing something together just
> doesn't solve the problem...
>
> So thanks,
> Vilem Novak
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