[Bf-committers] Display modes for 3D-View from user perspective

Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelgarte at googlemail.com
Thu Nov 24 11:22:23 CET 2011

That option isn't working anymore in *recent svn versions*, since the 
solid shading is combined with the only-textured shading. The only way 
to get an actual shadeless textured mode (needed for projection and 
texture painting) is to move all lamps on a hidden layer. I think that 
this isn't intuitive and also not an effective solution. Especially if 
you have lamps scattered around multiple layers. That forces you to hide 
all this layers to get to the desired mode and you will have to enable 
all this layers to get back to normal rendering. So far i couldn't see 
any advantage in the new shading modes which are now the default. Thats 
why i proposed the options inside my previous post and would like to 
hear the developers opinion on this.

Greetings from
Tobias Oelgart

Am 24.11.2011 05:57, schrieb Dima Glibitsky:
> There is an option to display shadeless textures in solid mode (in
> Display subpanel, toggle "Textured Solid")... Lighting-only mode seems
> to be really absent, though.
> I'm just a regular Blender user, but I think having all
> shading-related settings in one place would be nice.
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I noticed some recent changes on how blender renders the content inside
the 3D-View and at first i thought that it would be a bug in the current
revisions. So I opened a bug report after some curious postings inside
blendpolis.de (a well known German community website/forum for blender)
regarding this recent change. One of the first problems was to figure
out how to get a shadeless textured view onto a model. Even after
several tries nobody found a solution. Inside the bug report Brecht
mentioned that this change was intentional and not a bug. To achieve the
essential view for texturing/painting the user will now have to move all
lights to a separate layer and he is forced to hide this layer. Only
then you will get back to usual shadeless view for texturing. So far the
current situation.

As I was continuing my work on a model it just felt wrong. I have lights
spread out on multiple layers and I need this shadeless textured mode
for projection painting. So what i had to do now? I had to disable all
light layers (Shift+Click) to be able to continue the texturing and for
a simple test render i had to enable all this layers again. The problem
is, that i have to continue all steps over and over again, which simply
isn't fun anymore. So I was soon forced to step back and to use an older
version, in which i can just switch from solid to textured for
painting/texturing and from there to GLSL to get a rough preview.

I think that the current solution is neither suited for beginners (even
long time users are confused or annoyed) and the additional draw types
(e.g. solid shaded textured view or plain OpenGL-Lights Multitexture)
seem pretty useless to me, i came up with two ideas to make the best out
of it.

Option #1:

Add an additional checkbox under "Textured Solid", to disable all lights
and enforce the shadeless, textured mode. It would at least provide a
convenient way to switch between texturing (as a working step) and the
GLSL preview.

Option #2 (I would prefer it over #1):

Remove this options and reduce the display modes to the following set of

1. Bounding Box (not affected by anything currently found under the
GLSL/Multitexture/Singletexture option inside the 3D-View properties)

2. Wireframe (as previous mode not affected)

3. Solid view (Keep it solid, no textures, the typical view for modeling)

4. Only Textures, no Shading. (the typical view for texturing/unwrapping)

5. Only Shading, no Textures. (uses GLSL for lighting, but does not
utilize textures or nodes, fast/rough preview for lighting in scenes,
could be useful for sculpting)

6. Full GLSL (fast preview)

Any other combination did not make much sense to me in the usual
workflow. Why not reduce the display modes to this set of options,
instead spreading them over multiple locations (3d-view toolbar, 3d-view
properties under "Display") or making them even depend on (in)visible

Best wishes from

Tobias Oelgarte

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