[Bf-committers] small scale suggestion : keyframe extra tools

[Roger Wickes]

the current blender workflow is while at frame 2, copy pose to buffer (i love those yellow up/down arrows on the header). scrub to frame 24, either paste from buffer or paste flipped from buffer. If that same workflow could be preserved by expanding to copy not just a pose, but keys in general...very cool.

The "issue" with changing frame numbers of existing keys is that many people avoid the NLA entirely by timing their keys in the fcurve editor. I put "issue" in quotes because it is really a hack/work around the proper way to do it, but users are lazy so if they can skip a step, they do. However, thinking about all those lazy users (which includes myself) having an easy way to shift subsequent/later keys out, such a G+Xnn would be very cool, where the + deselects all keys and selects only those keys at or after the current frame.

 --Roger


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From: Jason <jason.mirk at gmail.com>
To: bf-blender developers <bf-committers at blender.org>
Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 5:23:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] small scale suggestion : keyframe extra tools

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Jason <jason.mirk at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is how maya does it. I use it all the time. Select a keyframe (frame 2
> for example), scrub to frame 24, middle click and frame 2 is copied to frame
> 24. It is fast.


Oops, i read it and it sounds wrong. You are at frame 2, scrub with middle
mouse to frame 24 and then key. Then frame 2 is copied to 24.

>
> Also selecting multiple frames with shift+drag is great.
>
> And one more thing that I have seen used a lot is to offset or shift keys
> within the timeline. You have keys at 1, 5, 10, 20. You move to frame 8,
> press a key and frames 10,20 move 1 frame to the right ending up at 11 and
> 21. If you press another key they move back to 10, and 20.
>
> You can do a lot in the timeline with this all these combined.
>
> Jason7
> pd. hi btw.
>
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:27 AM, joe <joeedh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I for one would love this.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Muhamad Faizol Abd. Halim
>> <faizol.blender at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >  Thanks for the feedback.
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Joshua Leung <aligorith at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Muhamad Faizol Abd. Halim
>> >> <faizol.blender at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > 1. To have an in-between keyframe can be inserted on the timeline
>> using
>> >> > right-mouse-button (RMB) to position it at a specific timeline, and
>> >> > middle-mouse-button (MMB) to put a keyframe at that timeline. Other
>> mouse
>> >> > gestures will simply cancel the operation. This will help animators
>> to
>> >> > create follow ups keyframe much more easily and can consolidate
>> several
>> >> > dopesheet operations into just 2 clicks on the timeline.
>> >> >
>> >> > Example is posted  at this link:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.pasteall.org/pic/3226   (blender_suggestion_01.png)
>> >> So is the main purpose of this to just insert breakdowns using a
>> >> modal-workflow without having to scrub the time cursor over to where a
>> >> keyframe is desired (with the keyframe taking the interpolated values
>> >> at the point where they are inserted)? I don't really understand the
>> >> point of this, and don't really consider this as too much of a
>> >> benefit.
>> >>
>> >
>> > It's not "taking the interpolated values at the point where they are
>> > inserted", but taking the _current frame_ 's  interpolation values to be
>> > inserted at the _desired frame_ (blue bar). Doing it this way then a
>> user
>> > doesn't have to keyframe the desired values at the current frame and
>> move it
>> > again afterwards to the desired frame.
>> >
>> >
>> >> I do understand the need to be able to add keyframes tagged as
>> >> 'breakdowns' in an easier way, and for that I do intend to add a way
>> >> to choose the type of keyframes inserted. However, the best way to
>> >> present this functionality is still a bit unclear, though I don't
>> >> think this is the right approach.
>> >>
>> >
>> > There might be a better approach, just that this feature is readily
>> > available in other commercial 3d application and it helps animators to
>> > simplify the keyframe workflow. The same result can be done through
>> > dopesheet, but if we can consolidate a few operations into just two
>> simple
>> > clicks, then in my humble opinion, I think it's worth a try.
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2. My second suggestion is to more keyframes management tool/handler.
>> One
>> >> of
>> >> > them is a box handler, more or less like this. I'm hoping that this
>> could
>> >> > help animators to handle/manage large amount of keyframes much more
>> >> easily.
>> >> >
>> >> > example: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/3227(blender_suggestion_02.png).
>> >> This sort of tool has been on my todo for a couple of months now.
>> >> Basically, it's pending work on a generic manipulator widget API
>> >> before work progresses on setting this up.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Cool. Glad to know that it's there in the roadmap.
>> >
>> > Again, thanks for the feedback.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Faizol Abd. Halim
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