[Bf-committers] Planning update

Sun Oct 18 20:17:20 CEST 2009

I posted one of the reports for the missing button emulation  
functionality. I don't mind at all if that fix were pushed to beta2 or  
even beta3 since the Durian folks' requests should be taking priority.  
I don't see anything wrong with triaging feature re-additions since  
I'm sure coder time is limited and the betas are not supposed to be  
feature-complete or production stable right away. Especially since I  
can't submit any code fixes myself at the moment.

Heh fly mode... Does anyone actually use that? ^-^

~ C

On 2009-10-18, at 11:38 AM, Campbell Barton <ideasman42 at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> sigh, Its open in the tracker, since I don't use it assumed it wast  
> in...
>
> [#19578] 2.5-- Emulate 3 button mouse option does nothing
> http://projects.blender.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=19578&group_id=9&atid=498
>
> - some goes this one. Is it back too?
> [#19480] "Emulate Numberpad" not working in 2.5
> http://projects.blender.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=19480&group_id=9&atid=498
>
> My point is we don't need to make everyone happy with beta0, pick a
> reasonable set of features from 2.4x to get running again and release
> within a week or 2 of the target date.
> The idea is to have all of 2.4x working though if you get picky there
> is a lot of stuff I'm sure we wont be able to do (lots of details, but
> off the top of my head - project paint options, some sequencer editing
> features, fly mode animation recording, some BGE-Py-API list methods,
> pynodes...).
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM, joe <joeedh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, if we *removed* it it would be a big deal, thus my concern.   
>> But
>> looks as if this isn't any issue after discussion on IRC, to leave it
>> in.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Martin Poirier <theeth at yahoo.com>  
>> wrote:
>>> It already works, so I don't see what the big deal is.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 10/18/09, joe <joeedh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: joe <joeedh at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Planning update
>>>> To: "bf-blender developers" <bf-committers at blender.org>
>>>> Received: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:38 AM
>>>> Emulate middle mouse can *not* be
>>>> left out, it's rather vital to many
>>>> people (myself included) who use laptops.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Campbell Barton <ideasman42 at gmail.com 
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Last meeting I agreed to evaluate targets for beta0,
>>>>> only managed to get round to it this today and think
>>>> there is some
>>>>> disconnect between the current beta0 targets and whats
>>>> needed for
>>>>> getting approx. 2.4x feature parity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only the user-interface section of beta0 was filled in
>>>> which I find
>>>>> odd. http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/Blender2.5/Todo/UserInterface
>>>>>
>>>>> While I agree these things are nice to have Id remove
>>>> most as beta zero targets.
>>>>> Its also not clear to me if the people who wrote these
>>>> targets are
>>>>> developers who can complete them, or if anyone has the
>>>> time to work on
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the studio we are getting many bug reports as well
>>>> as simple
>>>>> requests for operators to be added back or in some
>>>> cases just
>>>>> connected to menu items and keys.
>>>>> While there is some conflict here with Durian vs
>>>> 2.5-Beta0 goals I'm
>>>>> much more interested in having artists able to use
>>>> blender-2.5-beta0
>>>>> where 2.4x was capable, then delaying their bug
>>>> reports to do
>>>>> non-essential UI development.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Proposal for 2.5-beta0.
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Reduce UI Beta0 targets to tasks that block blender
>>>> from being
>>>>> properly tested...
>>>>> - Should include for eg: Ctrl+Click issue has to be
>>>> resolved (maybe
>>>>> theeths recent commit is acceptable, just using this
>>>> as an example)
>>>>> - Example of what NOT to include: "List Template popup
>>>> for quick
>>>>> overview/search of many items.", nice to have but wont
>>>> block people
>>>>> from testing.
>>>>> - Emulate middle mouse would be nice but IMHO can
>>>> release Beta0 without it.
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Focus on getting operators back, added into menu's,
>>>> keybindings
>>>>> from 2.4x back and generally making 2.5x usable.
>>>>> ...This was added in the UI beta0 targets but needs
>>>> expanding to
>>>>> better measure progress.
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Add blocking bugs to beta0 todo, assigned devs
>>>> should be ok to fix
>>>>> for beta0 release date.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Made a start on this but still need to add more
>>>> items...
>>>>> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/Blender2.5/Todo/Modules#Beta0_Todo.27s
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise we will just add more items to the list and
>>>> just push back
>>>>> beta0 release target some weeks/months.
>>>>> I'd rather we release predictable testing builds and
>>>> give ourselves
>>>>> realistic targets.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Shaul Kedem <shaul.kedem at gmail.com 
>>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> +1, just make the "test" logo big on the splash,
>>>> and the splash should have
>>>>>> a button to make it go away (not the loose focus
>>>> as it is today)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Ton Roosendaal
>>>> <ton at blender.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First: I'm not attending tomorrow's meeting
>>>> (can't skip mom's
>>>>>>> birthday!). Brecht is also away for a day.
>>>> So... I propose to talk
>>>>>>> about this topic here for now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Six weeks ago I've posted this;
>>>>>>> http://www.blender.org/bf/2009-planning.png
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  From my perspective, we're still progressing
>>>> OK. We might be one or two
>>>>>>> weeks later than scheduled. But the best thing
>>>> is that we're seeing
>>>>>>> great progress going on here in the studio,
>>>> with almost all key
>>>>>>> animation film production aspects being used.
>>>> For that reason I propose
>>>>>>> to go full steam ahead on getting our first
>>>> beta-0 release (or "test
>>>>>>> build", whatever you like to call it) out!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For this first beta-0 build we will
>>>> communicate to everyone that it is
>>>>>>> meant to test proper functioning of the ported
>>>> code; things that worked
>>>>>>> in 2.4x are supposed to work in the 2.5 build
>>>> as well, with a clear
>>>>>>> (and acceptable) list of exceptions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because of the Blender Conference next week, I
>>>> propose to make the
>>>>>>> first sunday after (Nov 1) the go/nogo meeting
>>>> for this. In the
>>>>>>> upcoming two weeks we then can work on the
>>>> release targets and
>>>>>>> exception list. If things go as expected, we
>>>> than can post the build in
>>>>>>> the first week of november.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We also should keep communicating well that
>>>> the second beta will be
>>>>>>> targeted at having the minimal specs finished
>>>> we consider a good wrap
>>>>>>> up of the event-tool refactor project, ready
>>>> for documentation work.
>>>>>>> That one is expected to arrive around the
>>>> christmas period still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Further:
>>>>>>> - The 2.49b version can be still presented on
>>>> our d/l page as
>>>>>>> current-stable release
>>>>>>> - The 2.5 beta0 splash can have a short note
>>>> about the testing status
>>>>>>> of that build
>>>>>>> - Release log of 2.5 beta0 will be clean and
>>>> clear too, and we'll
>>>>>>> communicate well that we're humbly working
>>>> hard on everything still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Feedback welcome,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Ton-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> --- 
>>>> --- 
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Ton Roosendaal  Blender Foundation   ton at blender.org
>>>>  www.blender.org
>>>>>>> Blender Institute   Entrepotdok 57A  1018AD
>>>> Amsterdam   The Netherlands
>>>>>>>
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