[Bf-committers] Planning update

Martin Poirier theeth at yahoo.com
Sun Oct 18 16:54:12 CEST 2009


It already works, so I don't see what the big deal is.

Martin

--- On Sun, 10/18/09, joe <joeedh at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: joe <joeedh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Planning update
> To: "bf-blender developers" <bf-committers at blender.org>
> Received: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:38 AM
> Emulate middle mouse can *not* be
> left out, it's rather vital to many
> people (myself included) who use laptops.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Campbell Barton <ideasman42 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Last meeting I agreed to evaluate targets for beta0,
> > only managed to get round to it this today and think
> there is some
> > disconnect between the current beta0 targets and whats
> needed for
> > getting approx. 2.4x feature parity.
> >
> > Only the user-interface section of beta0 was filled in
> which I find
> > odd. http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/Blender2.5/Todo/UserInterface
> >
> > While I agree these things are nice to have Id remove
> most as beta zero targets.
> > Its also not clear to me if the people who wrote these
> targets are
> > developers who can complete them, or if anyone has the
> time to work on
> > them.
> >
> >
> > In the studio we are getting many bug reports as well
> as simple
> > requests for operators to be added back or in some
> cases just
> > connected to menu items and keys.
> > While there is some conflict here with Durian vs
> 2.5-Beta0 goals I'm
> > much more interested in having artists able to use
> blender-2.5-beta0
> > where 2.4x was capable, then delaying their bug
> reports to do
> > non-essential UI development.
> >
> >
> > Proposal for 2.5-beta0.
> >
> > ** Reduce UI Beta0 targets to tasks that block blender
> from being
> > properly tested...
> > - Should include for eg: Ctrl+Click issue has to be
> resolved (maybe
> > theeths recent commit is acceptable, just using this
> as an example)
> > - Example of what NOT to include: "List Template popup
> for quick
> > overview/search of many items.", nice to have but wont
> block people
> > from testing.
> > - Emulate middle mouse would be nice but IMHO can
> release Beta0 without it.
> >
> > ** Focus on getting operators back, added into menu's,
> keybindings
> > from 2.4x back and generally making 2.5x usable.
> > ...This was added in the UI beta0 targets but needs
> expanding to
> > better measure progress.
> >
> > ** Add blocking bugs to beta0 todo, assigned devs
> should be ok to fix
> > for beta0 release date.
> >
> >
> > Made a start on this but still need to add more
> items...
> > http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/Blender2.5/Todo/Modules#Beta0_Todo.27s
> >
> > Otherwise we will just add more items to the list and
> just push back
> > beta0 release target some weeks/months.
> > I'd rather we release predictable testing builds and
> give ourselves
> > realistic targets.
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Shaul Kedem <shaul.kedem at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> +1, just make the "test" logo big on the splash,
> and the splash should have
> >> a button to make it go away (not the loose focus
> as it is today)
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Ton Roosendaal
> <ton at blender.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> First: I'm not attending tomorrow's meeting
> (can't skip mom's
> >>> birthday!). Brecht is also away for a day.
> So... I propose to talk
> >>> about this topic here for now.
> >>>
> >>> Six weeks ago I've posted this;
> >>> http://www.blender.org/bf/2009-planning.png
> >>>
> >>>  From my perspective, we're still progressing
> OK. We might be one or two
> >>> weeks later than scheduled. But the best thing
> is that we're seeing
> >>> great progress going on here in the studio,
> with almost all key
> >>> animation film production aspects being used.
> For that reason I propose
> >>> to go full steam ahead on getting our first
> beta-0 release (or "test
> >>> build", whatever you like to call it) out!
> >>>
> >>> For this first beta-0 build we will
> communicate to everyone that it is
> >>> meant to test proper functioning of the ported
> code; things that worked
> >>> in 2.4x are supposed to work in the 2.5 build
> as well, with a clear
> >>> (and acceptable) list of exceptions.
> >>>
> >>> Because of the Blender Conference next week, I
> propose to make the
> >>> first sunday after (Nov 1) the go/nogo meeting
> for this. In the
> >>> upcoming two weeks we then can work on the
> release targets and
> >>> exception list. If things go as expected, we
> than can post the build in
> >>> the first week of november.
> >>>
> >>> We also should keep communicating well that
> the second beta will be
> >>> targeted at having the minimal specs finished
> we consider a good wrap
> >>> up of the event-tool refactor project, ready
> for documentation work.
> >>> That one is expected to arrive around the
> christmas period still.
> >>>
> >>> Further:
> >>> - The 2.49b version can be still presented on
> our d/l page as
> >>> current-stable release
> >>> - The 2.5 beta0 splash can have a short note
> about the testing status
> >>> of that build
> >>> - Release log of 2.5 beta0 will be clean and
> clear too, and we'll
> >>> communicate well that we're humbly working
> hard on everything still.
> >>>
> >>> Feedback welcome,
> >>>
> >>> -Ton-
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> Ton Roosendaal  Blender Foundation   ton at blender.org  
>  www.blender.org
> >>> Blender Institute   Entrepotdok 57A  1018AD
> Amsterdam   The Netherlands
> >>>
> >>>
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