[Bf-committers] Planning update

Sun Oct 18 14:53:56 CEST 2009

correction,
"not on the 2.4x list", should be "not on the beta0 list"

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Campbell Barton <ideasman42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> So some people on laptops need to plugin an external mouse? - Can live
> with this.
> We miss so many features from 2.4x and I'm sure people can argue that
> lots are important. They can wait for beta1,2 etc.
> Nevertheless if you think somethings important and its not on the 2.4x
> list theres nothing stopping your coding it still.
>
> Or add it to the beta0 list, but keep it realistic, otherwise we just
> try to keep everyone happy and don't release a testing build anywhere
> near the current target.
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:38 PM, joe <joeedh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Emulate middle mouse can *not* be left out, it's rather vital to many
>> people (myself included) who use laptops.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Campbell Barton <ideasman42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Last meeting I agreed to evaluate targets for beta0,
>>> only managed to get round to it this today and think there is some
>>> disconnect between the current beta0 targets and whats needed for
>>> getting approx. 2.4x feature parity.
>>>
>>> Only the user-interface section of beta0 was filled in which I find
>>> odd. http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/Blender2.5/Todo/UserInterface
>>>
>>> While I agree these things are nice to have Id remove most as beta zero targets.
>>> Its also not clear to me if the people who wrote these targets are
>>> developers who can complete them, or if anyone has the time to work on
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> In the studio we are getting many bug reports as well as simple
>>> requests for operators to be added back or in some cases just
>>> connected to menu items and keys.
>>> While there is some conflict here with Durian vs 2.5-Beta0 goals I'm
>>> much more interested in having artists able to use blender-2.5-beta0
>>> where 2.4x was capable, then delaying their bug reports to do
>>> non-essential UI development.
>>>
>>>
>>> Proposal for 2.5-beta0.
>>>
>>> ** Reduce UI Beta0 targets to tasks that block blender from being
>>> properly tested...
>>> - Should include for eg: Ctrl+Click issue has to be resolved (maybe
>>> theeths recent commit is acceptable, just using this as an example)
>>> - Example of what NOT to include: "List Template popup for quick
>>> overview/search of many items.", nice to have but wont block people
>>> from testing.
>>> - Emulate middle mouse would be nice but IMHO can release Beta0 without it.
>>>
>>> ** Focus on getting operators back, added into menu's, keybindings
>>> from 2.4x back and generally making 2.5x usable.
>>> ...This was added in the UI beta0 targets but needs expanding to
>>> better measure progress.
>>>
>>> ** Add blocking bugs to beta0 todo, assigned devs should be ok to fix
>>> for beta0 release date.
>>>
>>>
>>> Made a start on this but still need to add more items...
>>> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/Blender2.5/Todo/Modules#Beta0_Todo.27s
>>>
>>> Otherwise we will just add more items to the list and just push back
>>> beta0 release target some weeks/months.
>>> I'd rather we release predictable testing builds and give ourselves
>>> realistic targets.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Shaul Kedem <shaul.kedem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> +1, just make the "test" logo big on the splash, and the splash should have
>>>> a button to make it go away (not the loose focus as it is today)
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> First: I'm not attending tomorrow's meeting (can't skip mom's
>>>>> birthday!). Brecht is also away for a day. So... I propose to talk
>>>>> about this topic here for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Six weeks ago I've posted this;
>>>>> http://www.blender.org/bf/2009-planning.png
>>>>>
>>>>>  From my perspective, we're still progressing OK. We might be one or two
>>>>> weeks later than scheduled. But the best thing is that we're seeing
>>>>> great progress going on here in the studio, with almost all key
>>>>> animation film production aspects being used. For that reason I propose
>>>>> to go full steam ahead on getting our first beta-0 release (or "test
>>>>> build", whatever you like to call it) out!
>>>>>
>>>>> For this first beta-0 build we will communicate to everyone that it is
>>>>> meant to test proper functioning of the ported code; things that worked
>>>>> in 2.4x are supposed to work in the 2.5 build as well, with a clear
>>>>> (and acceptable) list of exceptions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of the Blender Conference next week, I propose to make the
>>>>> first sunday after (Nov 1) the go/nogo meeting for this. In the
>>>>> upcoming two weeks we then can work on the release targets and
>>>>> exception list. If things go as expected, we than can post the build in
>>>>> the first week of november.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also should keep communicating well that the second beta will be
>>>>> targeted at having the minimal specs finished we consider a good wrap
>>>>> up of the event-tool refactor project, ready for documentation work.
>>>>> That one is expected to arrive around the christmas period still.
>>>>>
>>>>> Further:
>>>>> - The 2.49b version can be still presented on our d/l page as
>>>>> current-stable release
>>>>> - The 2.5 beta0 splash can have a short note about the testing status
>>>>> of that build
>>>>> - Release log of 2.5 beta0 will be clean and clear too, and we'll
>>>>> communicate well that we're humbly working hard on everything still.
>>>>>
>>>>> Feedback welcome,
>>>>>
>>>>> -Ton-
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Ton Roosendaal  Blender Foundation   ton at blender.org    www.blender.org
>>>>> Blender Institute   Entrepotdok 57A  1018AD Amsterdam   The Netherlands
>>>>>
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