[Bf-committers] No Sound in BGE on OSX, Can someone update dep's?

Sun May 3 13:11:58 CEST 2009

right, its not a release target but its a shame theres no sound support on OSX.
If this could be fixed why not include in 2.49?

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Note that we've released intel osx versions always without sound, it
> has a warning for it on the download page.
> Unless the platform maintainer (with help?) can get it to work
> reliably, we could skip it as release target. It's really a development
> topic?
>
> -Ton-
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ton Roosendaal  Blender Foundation   ton at blender.org    www.blender.org
> Blender Institute BV  Entrepotdok 57A  1018AD Amsterdam The Netherlands
>
> On 2 May, 2009, at 5:39, Campbell Barton wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the patch, It looks like alut is only used for WAV loading
>> in blender.
>> Since alut seems to be less well supported then OpenAL maybe we could
>> use SDL on all systems?
>> (then we have one less dependency too)
>>
>> On mac there is OpenAL support, on windows and linux there is
>> OpenAL-Soft which is actively maintained, but for alut there is
>> freealut from creative which is not supported by apple, alure is
>> actively maintained but not a drop in replacement for alut (but very
>> similar).
>>
>> It seems to me your current patch should solve the problem with the
>> least hassle.
>> Switching to alure could be good longer term but for 2.49 we really
>> should have the game engine sound working on OSX and it seems to close
>> to release to switch libs???.
>>
>> Any OSX users able to test this patch?
>>
>> - Campbell
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Jorge Bernal
>> <jbernalmartinez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Campbell,
>>>
>>> you're right. In the apple Q&A:
>>> http://developer.apple.com/qa/qa2006/qa1504.html
>>>
>>> "The header file 'alut.h' is missing from the OpenAL framework.
>>>
>>> Q: Why does the compiler complain that the header file can't be found?
>>> A: As of Mac OS X 10.4.7, the OpenAL framework has been updated to
>>> version 1.1 of the OpenAL specification. The OpenAL framework now
>>> strictly conforms to the OpenAL specification and since ALUT is not an
>>> official part of the specification it will no longer be included as
>>> part of the OpenAL framework. The ALUT header files were removed as of
>>> the Xcode 2.4 update."
>>>
>>> To attemp to fix this problem I have uploaded a patch here:
>>> http://jbernalmartinez.googlepages.com/MacOSX-openal.patch
>>> I haven't used alut functions for Apple (I have used SDL wav loader).
>>>
>>> This one is a temporal solution (if it works because I haven't proved
>>> it :-) ). In the next weeks I will upload a patch using alure library
>>> in lieu of alut "mess" library. It should unify openal (init, exit,
>>> loader, etc) for win, linux, mac platforms.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> lordloki
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/5/1 Campbell Barton <ideasman42 at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> According to Chris (the openal-soft developer) OSX comes with openal
>>>> support in its framework.
>>>> the problem is that the alut OSX has is quite old, so we'd need to do
>>>> some mac specific defines IIRC we alredy have mac defines here? maybe
>>>> this is done.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise if we want to use openal-soft with portaudio, on my linux
>>>> system portaudio is 180k/68k compressed so not too bad a dep.
>>>>
>>>> Note - for static openal-soft use "set -DLIBTYPE=STATIC" with cmake,
>>>> its not documented :|
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 3:33 AM, Jorge Bernal
>>>> <jbernalmartinez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Campbell,
>>>>>
>>>>> At this moment Openal-soft only works in Mac OS X (intel & PPC)
>>>>> through
>>>>> PortAudio library. To avoid install another new library with
>>>>> blender,
>>>>> several month ago in the GIT repository of Openal-Soft there was a
>>>>> SDL
>>>>> backend:
>>>>> http://repo.or.cz/w/openal-soft.git?a=commit;
>>>>> h=7ebb28327f8e5fb91e3b0808f2782bf2f2e15341
>>>>>
>>>>> This backend worked perfectly but it was removed due to compile
>>>>> problems
>>>>> (under some linux installations Cmake can't find SDL libraries).
>>>>> Therefore, If we add again this backend with the last release of
>>>>> Openal-soft
>>>>> then we can avoid the Portaudio library requirement.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can supply an OpenAl-soft release with the SDL backend included
>>>>> but
>>>>> someone will have to compile it because I don't have a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> lordloki
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/5/1 Campbell Barton <ideasman42 at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, some of the guys on blenderartist keep complaining that they
>>>>>> cant
>>>>>> get sound with the game engine on a mac (heres a the report)
>>>>>> [#5821] No sound on OSX (Intel) version of Blender Game Engine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://projects.blender.org/tracker/index.php?
>>>>>> func=detail&aid=5821&group_id=9&atid=306
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could someone update the mac openal to openal-soft?, ubuntu  uses
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> openal-soft now and from what I read its supported on mac and
>>>>>> windows.
>>>>>> Would be nice to go over and update SDL too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heres the commit log for mac's openal libs, it doesn't say anywhere
>>>>>> what version they are or what source package was used.
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> r10195 | halley | 2007-03-03 06:48:05 -0800 (Sat, 03 Mar 2007) |
>>>>>> 11 lines
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Added headers and a precompiled library for OpenAL on Intel OSX.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are still *problems* with the functionality that OpenAL
>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>> fix for this platform.  Do not expect OpenAL sounds to work
>>>>>> properly in
>>>>>> the game engine, for example, and there may be some crasher bugs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, this will simplify building and running blender on Intel
>>>>>> OSX
>>>>>> if you're not interested in using the OpenAL featuresOpenAL
>>>>>> features.
>>>>>> More progress will be made on the makefiles to use this library
>>>>>> once it
>>>>>> is less crash-prone.
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> - Campbell
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- Campbell