[Bf-committers] NDOF

doug doug at mudpuddle.co.nz
Fri Aug 17 04:28:08 CEST 2007

This reply is way off topic sorry Ettore.

I was on the list for a 3D connexion, spacenavigator. but have yet to see
it turn up here, i was curious if there was a tracking number available
for it, so i can check if its in the mail system somewhere, otherwise i
fear its been lost.

Nice work on the plugin BTW, i was using a Spacenavigator of a friend who
went to the Digital Earth confrence, and it was pretty nice.

Doug Ollivier
doug - mudpuddle.co.nz

	-------Original Message-------
  From: Ettore Pasquini
  Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] NDOF
  Sent: 16 Aug '07 21:58

  On 8/16/07 5:01 AM, "Carsten Wartmann" <[LINK:
cw at blenderbuch.de> wrote:

  > sfogoros schrieb:
  >> I don't understand what you mean by Roll/Nick. The Nick part throws
  >> off.
  > Well maybe I am a bit biased by my hobby rc-helicopter flying... Also
  > may missuse the terms a bit because of that.

  I also do not understand what you mean by Nick and why/how "Roll/Nick do
  wrong things in Fly mode".

  I do realize there's a lot of confusion given by terminology and just
  own assumptions about how things should work, it's surprising to see how
  3D world is subject to so many interpretations. If anyone feels like
  a wiki page about all this, that would help a lot I believe.

  >> And, my guess is that when you say very small amounts of transform,
  >> I perceive how difficult it can be to move the view when the axes are
  >> swapped. When the axes are oriented correctly, fly mode allows very
  >> transforms.
  > Yes, possibly.
  > It seems that I come closer if I swap the zoom direction in the first
  > panel of the 3dconnexion control Panel.
  > So but then I have to swap the zoom direction everytime I swap from
  > to transform mode.

  You shouldn't be needing to do that, that's not how the control panel is
  designed. The intent is to let the user choose a zoom direction per
  application, adjust the overall sensitivity and that of each individual
  axis, and then don't worry about it anymore. If you find yourself always
  the control panel, something is wrong. and I'd say you can report this
  of bugs in this way, and I apologize in advance if this will sound too
  pedantic, I just want to build some common ground:

  choose your zoom direction preference and then get comfortable in just
  of the currently supported modes (turntable, fly, transform). Start
  with the control panel driver defaults and report which axes are swapped
  too sensitive in your opinion. Then fix them individually to suit your
  needs, and move to the next mode. In theory you should not need to
  them again: if you do, it means that the first mode you just configured
  going to be screwed up and that's not what we want. So, report what
  adjustments you had to make *relative* to the previous mode. This way we
  understand which mode needs fixing, and which individual axes needs
  sensitivity adjustments. Generally speaking, when you say something is
  slow/fast/inverted, it's important for me to specify "compared to what",
  i.e. give the context or specify what is related to. :)


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