[Bf-committers] Re: [Bf-blender-cvs] CVS commit: blender/source/blender/include BIF_transform.h blender/source/blender/makesdna DNA_scene_types.h DNA_view3d_types.h blender/source/blender/render/intern/source texture.c blender/source/blender/src

[Ton Roosendaal]

Hi,

And forgot to clearly state; this is an *additional* method for  
transform in Blender, which should be easily turned on/off, and  
hopefully I can get working very pleasant next to methods from 'old'  
transform.

In many ways the transform tools in Blender really performed excellent,  
especially for intuitive speed. There are situations however where a  
manipulator can work easier/faster too, I've seen that for example for  
character posing.

You can see it like this; we could add manipulators because:
- 30% for marketing (being compliant to market standard)
- 30% for noob friendly learning (and for visual video tutorials)
- 30% to improve useability of Blender in specific cases
- 10% it's a fun toy!

Having both methods next to each other, designed to be complimentary  
(hotkey/gesture/speed/intuition vs. mouse-driven/visual/easy) can work  
very well.

-Ton-

On 18 Mar, 2005, at 12:36, Ton Roosendaal wrote:

> Hi,
>
>> However, i think the "click, move while hold, release" workflow goes
>> against blender's speed and efficiency. A much nicer solution, IMO,
>> would be to just click the "arrow" or the dot in the middle, and have
>> it immediately enter transform. In other words, clicking the red arrow
>> would be exactly the same as hitting G then X. This way we don't have
>> to hold and drag to transform objects.
>
> I realize that. Both options can be easily experimented with. I've  
> always defended working methods with minimal strain (like how  
> transform works now). For these widgets however, I tend to  
> treat/perceive them as "2d buttons" (like number sliders) which by  
> default are while-hold as well. That's also the common standard for  
> such manipulators, and it doesn't feel to me as conflicting with  
> Blender conventions. In contrary, it feels like conforming to our UI  
> widget convention to me. :)
>
> But, let me first finish all manipulator types, type switching, the  
> local/global/normal orientation, and make sure it works bugfree!
>
> -Ton-
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:59:13 -0800, joeedh <joeeagar at prodigy.net>  
>> wrote:
>>> Ton Roosendaal wrote:
>>>
>>>> ton (Ton Roosendaal) 2005/03/17 22:31:49 CET
>>>>
>>>>  Modified files:
>>>>    blender/source/blender/include BIF_transform.h
>>>>    blender/source/blender/makesdna DNA_scene_types.h
>>>>                                    DNA_view3d_types.h
>>>>    blender/source/blender/render/intern/source texture.c
>>>>    blender/source/blender/src drawview.c edit.c header_view3d.c
>>>>                               headerbuttons.c space.c transform.c
>>>>                               transform.h transform_constraints.c
>>>>                               transform_generics.c
>>>>
>>>>  Log:
>>>>  So! Finally a show-off of the *power* of Martin P's work! :)
>>>>
>>>>  - Made framework for 3d Transform Manipulators (widgets)
>>>>  - The Manipulators act like '2d buttons', by default with  
>>>> LeftMouse and with
>>>>    while-hold-move-release
>>>>  - Implemented now: Translation Widget, which allows:
>>>>    - four hotspots for axis grab or view-aligned grab
>>>>    - center defined by 'around' setting
>>>>    - SHIFT+LMB gives planar constraint on other 2 axes
>>>>    - works in Object mode and Edit mode (not posemode yet)
>>>>
>>>>  Enable it with (temporal) icon in 3D header. All other 'normal'  
>>>> transforms
>>>>  then keeps working btw.
>>>>
>>>>  On the todo for this widget:
>>>>  - choice for Global, Local or Normal orientation
>>>>
>>>>  The way the widgets are going to work is in review still. Commit  
>>>> is also for
>>>>  Matt for his proposal/paper on topic.
>>>>  Some notes regarding this project;
>>>>
>>>>  - no life updates (on mouse over) like 3DS, I think that's neurotic
>>>>  - on click, dominant axis changes to theme defined "Transform"  
>>>> color, other axes disappear, like maya
>>>>  - manipulater size is fixed preset, independent zoom.
>>>>  - manipulator follows selection, and is located based on 'around'  
>>>> mode
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Cool.  Will there be buttons to switch from grab widgets to rotate to
>>> scale ones, like in most apps, perhaps on the view3d header?
>>>
>>> joeedh
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