[Bf-committers] Sum up the long outside viewers post

[Gregor Mückl]

Hi!

TRY MAYA PLE. There's no better example for a good interface for 3d apps. Put 
down your ignorance and realise that it's possible to build UIs supperior to 
blender. And concerning complexity: Maya is currenly the market leader for a 
very good reason. Just guess.

Regards,
Gregor

On Thursday 13 May 2004 01:53, Alexander Ewering wrote:
> On Wed, 12 May 2004, trip wrote:
> > My favorite quotes are :
> >
> > " Im all for blender as an open source app, but it suffers from the
> > same problem as every other open source tool Ive ever used.  Its
> > written by nerds, for nerds.  The only exception Ive ever come across
> > is the Firefox beta "
> >
> > This Message is not propaganda, it is just a view on what the outside
> > world thinks about Blender, and it leads me to believe if Blender were
> > more user friendly then it might have a few more coders to edit some
> > code.
>
> OK,
>
> HOW USER FRIENDLY do people want an interface for one of the
> MOST COMPLEX APPLICATIONS IN EXISTANCE to be? This discussion
> is driving me crazy. The interface, the interface, and again, the
> interface.
>
> PLEASE, stop these discussions already, and just IGNORE people
> starting them all over again. Blender is complex, its UI is complex.
> PERIOD.
>
> Do you want people to make a driver's license for being allowed
> to drive a car? Yes? WHY?
>
> We could JUST construct cars that have a maximum speed of 10 mph.
> No problems there, even an idiot can drive them without being harmful
> to anyone.
> Sure, we will all arrive at our destinations a bit late, and it will
> screw our economy, but well! At least the car is NEWBIE-FRIENDLY
> and EASY TO USE.
>
> What other discussions are going to start about the (already muddled-up
> enough since 2.3) interface? Are we going to "remove clutter" like
> it seems to be modern these days? Are we going to remove all buttons from
> all menus, and make them only accessible via pulldowns, so that Blender's
> "front is cleaned up" like monitor manufacturers tend to do these days?
> I mean, it's really GOOD that to switch inputs on my monitor, i need to
> access a MENU and SUBMENUS instead of just pushing a frigging
> CLUTTER-IT-UP- button on the front. I don't have anything else to do. :)
>
> A good example of this "newbie-friendly", "features confuse newbies",
> and "remove-the-clutter"-insanity these days is GNOME 2 (for those
> who know it).
> I used to be a satisfied GNOME user for years, until they came up with
> GNOME 2 and I tried it. It made me instantly switch to KDE.
>
> Why?
>
> Because it's CLEANED UP. The developers removed about 80% of the features
> (its window manager can't even remember window attributes or positions
> neither snap to borders), made it all flashy with AA fonts (another
> insanity imported to Blender) and noticeably slow on a 1.7 GHz Athlon XP.
>
> Why don't we just remove the dang 3d cursor from Blender? I'm sure it's
> CONFUSING to newbies! Why not implement a nice balloon help when you hover
> over the 3d window for 3 seconds, which says "Where do you want the new
> Object to be"? It would be much more newbie-friendly! They wouldn't even
> have to read 10 words of documentation on the cursor.
>
> I find the argumentation about "Industry professionals" and "Nerds"
> particularly funny.
>
> First, someone "PROFESSIONALLY" using a 3d app like Blender *IS* a Nerd.
>
> Second, as an "INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL", you WILL have enough time and
> resources to spend to buy a COMPREHENSIVE BOOK with lots of documentation
> on your application (such a wonderful book does exist for Blender),
> and READ it far enough to know your way around the basic particularities
> of the User interface of your application.
>
> That "The interface scares newbies away"-argumentation is totally
> ridiculous. If you plan to do something *professional* (which is what
> everyone seems to be complaining about), you WILL read documentation.
>
> Sorry all the list members and particularly Ton, you already know
> I *hate* political correctness and tend to be honest and direct instead
> of packaging my words into a pile of pillows (some politicians in the
> western part of the world already do that well enough).
>
> Thanks for reading :)
>
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