[Bf-committers] 2.28a release & meeting notes
Dean Giberson
bf-committers@blender.org
Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:46:55 -0700
http://download.blender.org/projects/ghost/daily-checkouts/ghost-2003-08-12.tgz
John K. Walton wrote:
>
> give me a URL to begin from. and a week to get back to you, i'll
> be on vacation.
>
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Dean Giberson wrote:
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>
>>If there are specific problems with GHOST on a platform I would like to
>>know what they are. Of course I don't have access to that kind of
>>hardware. If you would be willing to provide some profiling for GHOST
>>then I (and I bet the rest of the GHOST maintainers) would be willing to
>>look into fixing it.
>>
>>If you have the chance grab the cvs daily tarball & build the GHOST
>>tests. From there it should be easy to find out why the effect you are
>>seeing is happening.
>>
>>As a pure windowing system GHOST is a much cleaner design than Glut.
>>I've used both & I'm happy that GHOST was created. Please give us a
>>chance to fix it before stripping blender of this tool.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dean Giberson (voidptr)
>>
>>John K. Walton wrote:
>>
>>>While I agree with everything you said, there are serious performance
>>>problems in 3d window with ghost based versions. mips3, or older
>>>O2's suffer from annoying lag when rotating (and stuff), as if it's
>>>polling at a low rate and missing the mouse action. once the action
>>>gets going, it's ok.impact type systems (which were the only ones
>>>after early blender days) never had this problem.
>>>
>>>my understanding behind externalizing ghost was to make the display
>>>subsystem independant (a good thing). one use for this would be to
>>>use GLUT (even if it is ugly, everything is ugly from one perspective
>>>or another) when appropriate, and ghost when appropriate or some
>>>distributed multidisplay visualization thing. and not just to make
>>>an arbitrary API.
>>>
>>>to summarize, I'm looking for an opportunity, not applying a restriction
>>>or objecting in anyway, I've got enough hardware, I can benefit from
>>>anything short of dropping everythign except OSX ;-)
>>>
>>>On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Ton Roosendaal wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>Apart from a major missing feature (24 bits display) ghost works
>>>>technically much better than Glut. In '98 I had to to do lot of hacks
>>>>in the glut code to make it working, and it was needed to patch Blender
>>>>for it too. This was so much more ugly and awkward than the previous
>>>>used nice irisgl windowing lib.
>>>>Glut has (and had) no official ports for BeOS or OSX available (the
>>>>current beGlut and OSX-glut are forks), which made & makes porting
>>>>Blender very cumbersome.
>>>>
>>>>I've checked your forwarded comments from Zr on adding 24 bits support
>>>>for Ghost. It really requires someone with more Ghost and C++ insight
>>>>and an X11 development envirmont to do it.
>>>>
>>>>There's a load of unix coders here though... nobody interested in cool
>>>>single buffered 24 bits display for rendering?
>>>>
>>>>(from zr:)
>>>>The quick fix solution would be:
>>>>Add single buffer mode argument to C++ ghost constructor
>>>>Add same arg to GHOST_CreateWindow
>>>>Add same arg to window_open
>>>>Add code to renderwin.c to determine what mode to use.
>>>>
>>>>I can help with renderwin.c, that's what I'm familiar with.
>>>>
>>>>-Ton-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003, at 15:48 Europe/Amsterdam, John K. Walton
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Ton Roosendaal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>2. ghost
>>>>>>- the Ghost team intends to go for an 'official launch'... they're
>>>>>>finalizing docs and demos for it. Ton will help getting marketing
>>>>>>exposure at opengl.org
>>>>>>- this also implies we (bf-blender) should get ready to remove ghost
>>>>>
>>>>>>from the Blender cvs... and include it as extern lib (such as jpeg).
>>>>>
>>>>>>- agreed on is to freeze now bf-blender ghost; meaning that commits to
>>>>>>it are not allowed unless it's also done in the official ghost
>>>>>>project.
>>>>>>During the next period, hopefully before the 2.29 release, we can
>>>>>>discuss & decide on how to incorporate the ghost lib.
>>>>>>- Ghost is being ported to BeOS (R5, last official release).
>>>>>
>>>>>is ghost being externalized, and abstracted to the degree that
>>>>>we could put GLUT back in for the hardware that worked MUCH
>>>>>better with it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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