[Bf-blender-npr] there are no interest from core developers on NPR which involve BI/BEER

[Ton Roosendaal]

Hi WK,

I'm the main coder and designer of the (old) render system, I've always said that cartoon render options would be possible to add there, and it would keep 'BI' useful for the future even. For me this is a natural extension of existing functionality, which can be added feature-compliant and according existing designs in Blender and Internal render.

Aside of me, Brecht and Tamito and Shinsuke have worked there, and Sergey and Campbell know some of the internals as well. Also Dalai is now getting more familiar with the internal render engine. If you hear "main devs having fear for BI" then these devs will be the wrong candidates to talk to anyway. Find the ones that like to work on it.

I would prefer when we can treat NPR features in Blender as an ongoing project, divided in smaller features to add one by one, using the current module owners and team members for BI.

You can also try to get this done via the outside. Design and build a new BEER render engine (using BI code) entirely on your own requirements, and when finished propose it as a patch, to be included as render engine next to BI and Cycles.

I prefer the first strategy, but I can understand the 2nd could work as well.

-Ton-

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On 25 Jul, 2014, at 8:39, Light BWK wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>> the 'beer' project separates itself from everyone who's involved with making Blender
>> I am not aware of the "BEER" project communicating on plans with me... and they should just be here, it's a waste of our resources if we don't cooperate.
> 
> There are no separation between us and the core devs on NPR. Such
> notion is just looking at the whole issue from a shallow perspective.
> We talked to as many devs as we could (via irc). But there is this
> certain *fear* of BI's code that made almost all main devs distancing
> from BI/BEER. We already tried many options to get this project going
> since last year. Few NPR animation projects (will not name them) have
> already *failed* because of this kind of reaction from developers. It
> is really sad if you know the stories and the good people behind those
> projects.
> 
> So I can ensure you BEER/NPR have not distance ourselves from other
> Blender development. In fact, I personally talk to T.K. almost daily
> on freestyle and NPR.
> 
> BEER is very well documented and linked. If you search for 1, you'll
> get the links to everything related. Most of the research we linked
> to, have the algorithm and code done. So there is no excuse that BEER
> cannot be coded.
> 
> To be inclusive here are the links again (posted these few times
> already in this mailing list):
> http://blendernpr.org/beer-a-wordy-leet-intro-august-2013/
> [original explanation of BEER]
> http://blendernpr.org/beer-design-overview-july-2014/
> [update version of BEER design Overview]
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jBnLeqX2At0KjpDE3rSbOoppO4t9ONuiYXNSXIrKE0I/edit#
> [an in-depth analysis of NPR]
> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:LightBWK
> [big proposal page]
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v0R3lBbpppD3svk1tCkCov4reLVi1dAQR5c8i4IYF7s/edit
> [BEER Development Overview and Feedback]
> 
> The plan is to code the architecture for BEER to work. Viewport shader
> (in GLSL) will share the same code design as renderer. If the
> development solved viewport code, then the renderer code is solved at
> the same time.
> 
> -- Light
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