[Bf-animsys] Grease pencil and Storyboarding

Tue Jan 27 21:44:49 CET 2015

Hi Joshua, 

I am a visual guy, so I made a mockup to show my last proposal for GP changes. Maybe this could help to you too. http://www.mendiobox.com/assets/gp/Mockup_Grease_pencil-01.jpg

Do you have some news? :)

Regards,
Matias

From: Joshua Leung 
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 8:36 AM
To: Discussion list to assist 2.5 animation recode 
Subject: Re: [Bf-animsys] Grease pencil and Storyboarding

Hi Matias,

1) This would be nice, but the main limitation is that we need to be able to do this for more than just the 3d view. For instance we need something that can be done in the Sequencer,  image, and nodes editor. But yes, it would be great if the menus did work. 

2) Yep, outliner support is something that I have been planning on adding. It looks like this was one of the few things that I left off the roadmap. 

3) :) 

4) I am aware of some issues prior issues with that feature, though I haven't seen these specific issues yet. Will look into it!

Regards,
Joshua

On 17/01/2015 4:14 AM, "mendiobox" <info at mendiobox.com> wrote:

  Hi Joshua,

  Maybe you already saw my GP test for Cosmos Laundromat
  http://gooseberry.blender.org/blender-2-73-a-new-storyboard-workflow/

  GP work great for storyboard and animatic job!

  As Ton well said on the blog post

  "What started as a quick way to add notes in the viewport, has now grown into a powerful animation tool for sketching storyboards – and even final animations"

  I think GP deserve a new prominent place in Blender. My idea is give it the same treatment like any other objects, so I came out with 3 great changes to give it more consistency and better workflow:

  1. The idea is allow select GP on the viewport and then enter on Edit mode with TAB as with other objects. So GP can have their own set of menu on the header (select - Add - Grease Pencil for example) and that way we avoid duplicate menus and behaviours on the tab panel.

  2. Include GP in the outliner so we can block/allow selection, view, render (see #3) etc.

  3. Possibility to render GP without the need to convert to 3D object (I think you're already on this using some kind of brushes or freestyle)

  I also found a new bug (maybe you can confirm it): On Dope sheet when you're in GP context, the UP/DOWN key don't work to jump between previous and next frames.

  Good news is that I contact Antoni and he will care about DOF and greasepencil on the viewport.

  Let me know about your opinions on my proposal and your progress on GP

  Thanks!
  Matías

  From: Joshua Leung 
  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 2:29 AM
  To: Discussion list to assist animation developers 
  Subject: Re: [Bf-animsys] Grease pencil and Storyboarding

  Hi Matias,

  Thanks for the feedback :)

  Re - Bugs:

  1) Yep, I've noticed it too. I thought it was just me, but apparently not :) 

  2) Not intentional. Fixed in master now.

  Re - Primary Features:

  1) For viewport effects, it would be better/faster to contact Antony (psy-fi).

  2) Better fills (without the artifacts we're getting now - like incorrect fills in concave areas, and the bug above) are something I will look into. The current GL_POLYGON based technique was intended as a quick first pass so that we at least had some way of doing this, which works for a decent number of scenarios.

  3) These will be looked into :)

  4) I'm looking for ideas about how exactly artists would like/expect this to work, and how that would fit into their workflows :)

  Re proposed improvements:

  1) There are some issues doing this. Perhaps the greatest one is that we can't just always use the FKEY, as it would end up blocking normal tools from working. This is especially true when not in Stroke Editing Mode (where Grease Pencil is just "on top" of everything else). Then again, if it's not going to be too much of a hassle to only be able to do this in stroke edit mode, then it should be simple to add it.

  2) I'll have a look. I suspect that this won't be that useful, as the maximum size is limited by the fact that OpenGL on windows limits the maximum width of strokes drawn using the opengl primitives

  Regards,
  Joshua

  On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 4:18 AM, mendiobox <info at mendiobox.com> wrote:

    Hi Joshua Leung (and everyone here)

    I'm Matias Mendiola, the storyboard artist in Gooseberry project.

    First let me tell you that you’re doing a really great job on Grease pencil. Congratulations!
    The idea is to use Grease pencil as the main tool for storyboarding and animatic process for future Gooseberry storyboard work, so Ton told me to get on contact via this mailing list in order to give you my feedback, request, proposal, etc.

    Just to start, some notes about Grease pencil:

    Bugs:

    1. I have a weird bug using fills (seems related to NVIDIA card) on one of my computers. I created a bug report here https://developer.blender.org/T43149

    2. I notice a diferent behaviour when deleting: DEL key don't work the same way as X key to delete when editing strokes. Is this by design?

    The principal features that I'd love to have in GP soon to test for Gooseberry Storyboard (some of them are on your blog already):

    1.  DOF on Viewport OpenGL. (Now it works on Gooseberry branch but on all strokes the same no matter what distance they are to focus point)

    2. Fills only inside shapes.

    3. Brush types or Freestyle integration for more artistic and smoother lines

    4. Layers group to make easier the work on different characters/backgrounds

    Proposals to improve GP:

    1. Use F key to change eraser size (as on texture paint mode)

    2. Posibility to change the paint cursor icon to brush size (as on texture paint mode)

    Let me know anything you need for me and please be aware that I’m living on the other side of the world (Argentina), so delayed responses could happen. :)

    Best
    Matias

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