[Uni-verse] [Fwd: Re: Proposal about Orange
as Uni-Verse demonstrator]
Jörn Kohlhammer
joern.kohlhammer at igd.fraunhofer.de
Fri Sep 30 17:55:35 CEST 2005
Dear all,
of course we are also reluctant to hand out money. But as Lauri put it,
if this saves the Uni-Verse, we will not block this redistribution.
Nevertheless, we should all save ourselves time and draw up one summary
proposal with all changes to the work packages for one PCC decision.
Best regards,
Jörn
Gert Svensson schrieb:
> Lauri,
>
> this is a relevant question!
>
> The role of Paregos in the project is not to implement the demonstrator.
> Paregos will do the evaluation and write the report about it.
> The size of this work should be in the same range for the Lego and
> Orange project.
> Also Paregos is rather small partner compared with the four big.
>
> Best Regards
> Gert
>
> Lauri Savioja wrote:
>
>> Hi Ton,
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> Thanks for clarification!
>>
>> There is still one question I would like to ask. It seems to me that
>> we are transfering workload from Paregos to Blender, if we discard the
>> Lego demonstrator. If this is the case why Paregos is not
>> participating in the cost distribution? I am sure I have misunderstood
>> something, and for this reason I would be happy if someone could
>> explain the situation to me once more :-).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lauri
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Ton Roosendaal wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to emphasize that our proposal is a revision of the
>>> existing WP restructure proposal, where we've lowered our budget
>>> with 30k, to be transferred to KTH to cover their additional work
>>> with Purple especially.
>>>
>>> We're willing to accept "Orange" to become a Universe demonstrator,
>>> but then prefer to keep our original budget, and are allowed to have
>>> a maximum of 30k reserved as overhead for realizing "Orange". (The
>>> total budget for the production is 120-140k btw).
>>>
>>> That also means that the KTH then requires a transfer of 7.5k budget
>>> from II, HUT and FHG. I think that's a more proper way to bookkeep
>>> it. :)
>>>
>>> -Ton-
>>>
>>> On 26 Sep, 2005, at 11:16, Gert Svensson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Partners,
>>>>
>>>> as you already know it has been suggested to replace the so called
>>>> "Lego demonstrator" by the
>>>> animated movie project Orange, which the Blender foundation is
>>>> undertaking at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> I think this is an excellent idea. However the Blender foundation
>>>> needs 30 kEuro additional funding for this
>>>> which has to be transferred to the foundation this year. This and
>>>> other conditions you can see in the attached email.
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest that this is solved by having the 4 larger partners
>>>> (KTH, II, HUT, FHG) transfer an equal part (7 500 Euro) of their
>>>> budget
>>>> to the Blender foundation. The request of fast payment can be
>>>> solved by distributing a larger fraction of the payment from the
>>>> commission we
>>>> are all waiting for at the moment. I would suggest that we
>>>> redistribute an equal percentage of all the other partners to the
>>>> Blender foundation.
>>>>
>>>> To go ahead by this we need a PCC decision. This could be done over
>>>> email but first I would like to hear your comments on this proposal.
>>>> Another question is if this change requires a approval by the
>>>> commission. After reading the WP text I'm inclined to say no.
>>>> The WP text only refers to digital media and this is indeed digital
>>>> media. A game demonstrator is however mentioned in one place in the
>>>> text
>>>> but I think we can ignore that at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Gert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Angela Plohman <aplohman at dds.nl>
>>>> Date: 23 September, 2005 13:23:36 GMT+02:00
>>>> To: gert at pdc.kth.se
>>>> Cc: ton at blender.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Proposal about Orange as Uni-Verse demonstrator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Gert,
>>>>
>>>> We have discussed your proposal regarding the Orange Open Movie
>>>> project and we
>>>> would like to propose the following.
>>>>
>>>> We can agree to your conditions, being that Blender will:
>>>>
>>>> * use verse in the production of the movie
>>>>
>>>> * let Paregos take part at some point in the production so Paragos
>>>> can make
>>>> interviews and draw conclusions about the use of verse
>>>>
>>>> * make models and results available for the Uni-Verse consortium
>>>> and web page to
>>>> use
>>>>
>>>> * help with presenting the experience in newsletters or conferences.
>>>>
>>>> In exchange for adding Orange as the demonstrator, we would like to
>>>> request the
>>>> following:
>>>>
>>>> * if we will add Orange to Uni-Verse, we think it is reasonable to
>>>> keep the full
>>>> budget allocated to the Blender Foundation (152.481,00 Euro). In
>>>> this context,
>>>> we will allocate the 30.000 Euro we had intended to redistribute to
>>>> Orange-related overhead. We will keep the same number of man-months
>>>> (27 - which
>>>> accounts for the 6 transferred to KTH), and we will raise our
>>>> overhead by 30.000
>>>> Euro maximum for Orange-related expenses.
>>>>
>>>> * the Orange project is for the Blender Foundation an open source
>>>> validation
>>>> project. We are happy to include Uni-Verse in the project, but we
>>>> would like to
>>>> ask that in any communication about Orange, it is clear that
>>>> ownership and
>>>> responsibility for Orange remains with the Blender Foundation and the
>>>> Netherlands Media Art Institute.
>>>>
>>>> * in order for us to claim Orange costs in the Uni-Verse project,
>>>> WP8 needs to
>>>> have a new start date of September 1, 2005. This shouldn't be a
>>>> problem as the
>>>> reviewers also stressed that we begin evaluation and validation
>>>> much earlier
>>>> than originally planned.
>>>>
>>>> * we would like to ask that the new deliverables (Orange,
>>>> Blender-Verse) be
>>>> approved by the EU by October 20. As you can understand, we can not
>>>> sign
>>>> anything or commit to this until there is formal approval from the
>>>> EU. If you
>>>> cannot get final approval before this date we reserve the right to
>>>> withdraw this
>>>> offer.
>>>>
>>>> * lastly, we we would like to ask that the full 30,000 Euro be
>>>> transferred to
>>>> our bank account before the end of 2005.
>>>>
>>>> We hope we can reach an agreement on the above in time for the IRL
>>>> meeting in
>>>> Stockholm.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Ton & Angela
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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