Itīs not personal, I know that. No problem.<br>Below I answer to each point:<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/27 Yain Vieyra <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yaintech@yahoo.com.ar" target="_blank">yaintech@yahoo.com.ar</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div><br>Sorry for my laaaate reply. I'm moving right now, and without internet.<br>
<br>To
clarify some points. I wasn't talking about the professional community
at all. In fact,</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">the professionals using blender represent a small part
of the community. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Agreed.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">There are many</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
many amateurs and students using the
software today, as well as professionals and</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">studios. But what I wanted
to expose was the importance in the "workflow" when</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">switching from an
app to another, from a group of people to another, from a beginner</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">time
to a professional one.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I think we certainly can do something to please some group(s), but I donīt think we can please every group.<br>They are usually very diverse and sometimes they even have non compatible practices and workflows in place.<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
Those who start today being just beginners, some
day could</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">become professionals, and they will not need to switch to a
foreing UI just "because</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">now I am a professional".</div></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br>To my experience they often do. Not because they want it or decide to do it, but for other kind of reasons, like they enter in a certain animation of post house and they have to change the program they work in, or even staying with Blender, if your new boss thinks the spanish interface is "for losers" (or whatever stupid thing he could have said), then chances are you donīt want to angry him and you switch the language. Or you enter a house and everyother one uses the english interface, so you do as well.<br>
That are things that happen all the time when you enter the professional world..<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"> Usability is a big
task when designing software, and in this</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">case we are talking about Free
Software,</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Let me say here that Blender, in particular, over the years, has not shown much interest to adopt common software interface practices. :)<br>Quick things that comes to my mind:<br>
- The menu system is unique. With menus in the bottom of the interface panels.<br>- The right button select is unique, and for sure could not pass any usability test.<br>- The transform shortcuts are unique to Blender. Why donīt we just use standard QWER ones? In fact why canīt we just deselect by doing a click over an empty area of the viewport?<br>
- The viewport navigation system is unique also (as it is in any other 3D software, I must admit). But we could adopt the Maya one (or any other popular softwareīs) and have instantly abboard all of the users of that one.<br>
- The coordinate system. The majority of 3D programs use Z for depth, Blender uses it for height.<br>...surely I could extend this list some more, but the main point is that I donīt think the lack of Blender in using this standard features donīt prevent anyone using (and loving) it.<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
so, community will produce documentation</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">regarding software
possibilities. Years ago we hadn't the possibility to translate the</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">whole UI, and now, with this project, we are seeing just the beginning
of extended</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">documentation around specific languages. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>
I started taking care of the documentation reflecting the current state of the translated interface since a cuple of months ago, and there are several places in good shape now.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">Just take the
example in the industry: You</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">have programs in spanish using the same RGB
convention, and that's because of the</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">importance to stay "standard"
when interacting in complex workflows. Imagine if</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">softwares like GIMP or
Inkscape change their color models to RVA just for translation</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">reasons.
What a pain for Graphic Designers and Artists in general!</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I donīt see the magnitude of "such a pain" it's more a matter of "common places" one is used to, and not so of "things that I won't understand".<br>
I figure that the production pipeline of printed materials involves more disconnected people in the last (and permanent!) fase of the process, as well as two common color spaces (RGB, CMYK) to work with, so it could in fact be more sensible to this confusion possibility you mentioned (and perhaps thatīs the reason GIMP uses RGB, I donīt know).<br>
But the video or gaming production pipelines almost always work in the RGB color space, so I donīt see such a big problem there.<br>As a reflexion: I donīt think that someone will get stuck for finding the RVA letters (in place of the RGB ones) in the interface. Even less so, provided that Blenderīs interface has a (very good!) tooltip system for every option, so if users hover the mouse they will get the appropiate informative description about it.<br>
<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
This is just
added</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">complexity, and what for? just to not to teach the importance of
color models? that's not</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">a good approach.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I brought the example of my students not for saying that it is of no point to teach color models.<br>
These classes are of an introductory course that donīt even touch on this kind of thing as color models.<br>I mentioned it because to me is an example that most of the criticism to that kind of thing comes from current users of the english UI and not by fresh (and future) users.<br>
Going to the subject of color models, of course I don't intend to translate their names, as they are proper names (and usually trade marks also), so AdobeRGB will stay that way (as Z Buffer in Blender stood with that name, even though the Z axis in Blender is not the depth axis).<br>
<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
<br>Well, that's my
opinion. I hope you don't take this personally. I just want to make Free</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">Software to have the biggest quality for world communities.<br>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Yeah, I know that's the desire of all of us.<br>Please tell me, appart from the RGB issue, what other words have you heard complaints about?<br><br></div></div>Greetings,<br>Gabriel<br>
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