<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">The link below is perfect:</font><div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><a href="http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19043" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); ">http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19043</a></span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">I'll fix all the problems you listed with "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">persian_to_ utf.py" and let you know ASAP.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div>
<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#663366">1) the farsi.txt you sent is using \u064a as the final letter of the word. Shouldn't it be \u06CC?</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#663366">According to the internet the \u064a is the arabic yeh, while \u06cc is the arabic farsi yeh</font></div>
</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div>I'll change them to: \ufbfc \ufbfd \ufefe \ufeff</div></span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); ">
<br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#663366">2) there is a big problem with your persian_to_ utf.py</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#663366">For the lookup function (the elif x[g] == ...) you can't use the "absolute" form of the char.</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#663366">For example the saddd. You are checking if the text has the isolated form of the letter ("\ufeb9"). Instead you need to look for the "\u0635".</font></div>
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); ">So should I use Isolated form or Final form? Saddd for example, instead of FEB9 shouldn't I use FEBA? 0635 does not define any position as it is isolated or Final form. I'm using Character Map in Windows which tells you for example U+FEBA: Arabic Letter Sad Final Form and U+0635: Arabic Letter Sad (which doesn't say Isolated or Final).</div>
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); "><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#663366">3) The Persian needs to be a list with every chars. Otherwise the position calculation will not work for any char.</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#663366">What the script is doing is:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#663366">"is my neighbour char (that is not a harakat) an "arabic/farsi" letter?"</font></div>
</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Yes, Persian has 32 alphabets which 4 of them does not exist in Arabic. Persian does not have any harekat.</span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); ">
<br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#663366">This is to make sure you don't have a middle position (or a beginning/final) char connected to a latin letter, symbol, comma .... Also notice that the hamza is included in the list of arabic letters. That's why I need to manually count it out when calculating the position of the chars. I'm not so sure this is 100% right though (i.e. I'm considering hamza as a word break, but it seems sometimes it shouldn't be?).</font></div>
</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">I don't know about Arabic but in Persian there is a Ye with a little hamza on top of it. That one has 4 forms just like Ye but swap the two dots at the bottom with a hamza on top. ["<font class="Apple-style-span" size="6">ﺉ</font>","<font class="Apple-style-span" size="6">ﺋ</font>","<font class="Apple-style-span" size="6">ﺌ</font>","<font class="Apple-style-span" size="6">ﺊ</font>"] But the hamze alone does not connect to anything which is [<font class="Apple-style-span" size="6">ء</font>]. One example is [<font class="Apple-style-span" size="6">انشاء</font>].</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">And one final thing. </span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Could you please tell me where to save "</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">persian_to_ utf.py"? Is "BlenderSVN\branches\fa</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">persian_to_ utf.py</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">" the correct place to save?</span></div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Dalai Felinto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dfelinto@gmail.com">dfelinto@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>Can you confirm if this is correct:</div><div><a href="http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19043" target="_blank">http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19043</a></div><div><br></div>Note that the correct "Presentation Form" (what I was calling absolute forms) for the Farsi Yeh are:<div>
Isolated, Final, Beggining, Middle:</div><div>\ufbfc \ufbfd \ufefe \ufeff</div><div><br></div><div>In the persian_to_utf you were using the values for alef maksura instead.</div><div><br></div><div>reference: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Unicode_chart_Arabic_Presentation_Forms-A" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Unicode_chart_Arabic_Presentation_Forms-A</a><br>
<br>-</div><div>Dalai<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/15 Dalai Felinto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dfelinto@gmail.com" target="_blank">dfelinto@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Amin,<div>a few things:</div><div>1) the farsi.txt you sent is using \u064a as the final letter of the word. Shouldn't it be \u06CC?</div><div>According to the internet the \u064a is the arabic yeh, while \u06cc is the arabic farsi yeh</div>
<div><br></div><div>2) there is a big problem with your persian_to_ utf.py</div><div>For the lookup function (the elif x[g] == ...) you can't use the "absolute" form of the char.</div><div>For example the saddd. You are checking if the text has the isolated form of the letter ("\ufeb9"). Instead you need to look for the "\u0635".</div>
<div><br></div><div>Now the opposite: for the yeeee Isolated form you put the "relative" form of it (\u06cc).</div><div><br></div><div>3) The Persian needs to be a list with every chars. Otherwise the position calculation will not work for any char.</div>
<div>What the script is doing is:</div><div>"is my neighbour char (that is not a harakat) an "arabic/farsi" letter?"</div><div><br></div><div>This is to make sure you don't have a middle position (or a beginning/final) char connected to a latin letter, symbol, comma .... Also notice that the hamza is included in the list of arabic letters. That's why I need to manually count it out when calculating the position of the chars. I'm not so sure this is 100% right though (i.e. I'm considering hamza as a word break, but it seems sometimes it shouldn't be?).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Dalai</div><div><div></div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/12 Amin Babaiepanah <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:leomoon@gmail.com" target="_blank">leomoon@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">I modified the "arabic_to_utf.py" for Persian. I don't know how to compile Blender in Windows to test it. I've attached the "persian_to_utf.py" to this email with fa.po file at 2%. I'll continue with translation now.<br clear="all">
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<br><br></div><div><div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Amin Babaiepanah <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:leomoon@gmail.com" target="_blank">leomoon@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">Awesome. I looked at the Arabic python script and it was kinda easy to understand. I'll try to make a Persian one out of that. The best thing about the script is that is using the characters themselves instead of hard coded glyph numbers.</font><div>
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<font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" color="#663366">"<span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">For the "Language Selection" interface I flipped both Arabic and Persian names (so they show up correctly). I used the Arabic script for the Persian. Let me know if they look ok:"</span></font></div>
</div><div><span style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif">(<font size="6">فارسی</font>) Persian</span></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">... is missing the last character "<font size="6">ی</font>".</font></div>
<div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">Right now in that picture the text is like:</font></div>
<div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="6">فارس</font></div><div><br></div><div>Here is the full word:</div><div>(فارسی) Persian</div><div><br></div><div>Or:</div><div>Persian (فارسی)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Selecting the text above is very hard so I've attached 2 text files so you can just press Ctrl+A and Ctrl+C.</div><div><br></div><div><div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><font color="#663366">"<span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">I was looking here. Is there any other resource you suggest?"</span></font></font></div>
</div>
I found the link below:<div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_alphabet" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_alphabet</a></div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><br>Best regards,<br>Amin Babaeipanah<br>
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<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div>On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Dalai Felinto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dfelinto@gmail.com" target="_blank">dfelinto@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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CC here since this is the new list ...<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Dalai Felinto</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dfelinto@gmail.com" target="_blank">dfelinto@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: 2011/10/11<br>Subject: Re: [blender-trans] Re: Complex Script is Now Supported? :D AWESOME!<br>To: <a href="mailto:blender-translation@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">blender-translation@googlegroups.com</a><br><br>
<br>Hi Amin, I added Persian (...) there.<div>
<br></div><div>For the "Language Selection" interface I flipped both Arabic and Persian names (so they show up correctly). I used the Arabic script for the Persian. Let me know if they look ok:</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=18889" target="_blank">http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=18889</a></div><div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:tahoma, sans-serif">"I've also made a map of all the characters in Farsi so we can make another python file (or add the extra characters to the existing one if possible) for Farsi to reverse the characters."</span></div>
<div><br></div></div><div>Great. Given that there are changes (and not only added letters) I think it's better to keep farsi as a separate script for now.</div><div><br></div><div>I was looking here. Is there any other resource you suggest?</div>
<div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language</a></div><div><br></div><div>The current version of the script is here:</div><div><a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3292898/arabic/arabic_to_utf.py" target="_blank">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3292898/arabic/arabic_to_utf.py</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>The script should be clear enough for a programmer/farsi speaker.</div><div>It takes every letter, calculate their position (isolated, beginning, middle, end) and returns the absolute utf-8 representation of it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In the beginning of the file we have the unicode/utf-8 representation of the letters in their absolute position (range \ufe81 ~ \ufefc).</div><div><br></div><div>The letters used in the long if/elif sequence are the non-absolute form of the letters (\u622 ~ \u644).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Dalai<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/10 Amin Babaiepanah <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:leomoon@gmail.com" target="_blank">leomoon@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">I've also made a map of all the characters in Farsi so we can make another python file (or add the extra characters to the existing one if possible) for Farsi to reverse the characters. Please see the attached text file (It's UTF-8).</font><div>
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<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Dalai Felinto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dfelinto@gmail.com" target="_blank">dfelinto@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div>
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Hi <div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32, 32, 32);font-family:'Droid Sans', arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><div>While googling to read more about Farsi I ran into that:</div>
<div><a href="http://no-more-farsi.50webs.com/" style="color:rgb(103, 117, 58)" target="_blank">http://no-more-farsi.50webs.com/</a></div><div><br></div><div>I wonder if this is actually an issue. As in, should we call it Persian instead of Farsi?</div>
</span><span style="color:rgb(32, 32, 32);font-family:'Droid Sans', arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">And is this the right name of the language in farsi/Persian? <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">فارسی </span></span><span style="color:rgb(32, 32, 32);font-family:'Droid Sans', arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><div>
<font face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19px">I was to add the needed files in blender code but need to figure those out first.</span></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19px"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19px">Cheers,</span></font></div></span>Dalai</div><div><div></div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/10 Dalai Felinto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dfelinto@gmail.com" target="_blank">dfelinto@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><span style="color:rgb(32, 32, 32);font-family:'Droid Sans', arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">> Is the python file below the one that reverses letters?<br>
> <a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3292898/arabic/arabic_to_utf.py" style="color:rgb(103, 117, 58)" target="_blank">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3292898/arabic/arabic_to_utf.py</a></span><br><br></div>This is the one I'm using yes. It differs a bit in the result than the .Net version maintained by the Arabic team. But the results are pretty close.<div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/8 LeoMoon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:leomoon@gmail.com" target="_blank">leomoon@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Yea reversing should work fine. Some characters are different in Farsi<br>
but the general system is the same. Tnx for the PO file. I'll start<br>
translating.<br>
<br>
Is the python file below the one that reverses letters?<br>
<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3292898/arabic/arabic_to_utf.py" target="_blank">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3292898/arabic/arabic_to_utf.py</a><br>
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On Oct 8, 4:30 pm, Dalai Felinto <<a href="mailto:dfeli...@gmail.com" target="_blank">dfeli...@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> Blender doesn't support left oriented languages directly. What we are doing<br>
> for arabic is to "reverse" the "letters" and converting to the char that has<br>
> the position "hardcoded" (so they write correctly). It's not 100% either.<br>
><br>
> It seems that Farsi is a variation of Arabic, is that right? If so it should<br>
> be possible to do the same hack there. I can help with that (or what may be<br>
> better, you could ask Yousef Hurfoush to adapt the flip arabic to Parsi).<br>
><br>
> If you want a fresh fa.po to start translating you can get it here:<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3292898/arabic/fa.po" target="_blank">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3292898/arabic/fa.po</a><br>
><br>
> Once we have the flipping system working for Farsi as well we can make<br>
> Blender to support fa_IR.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Dalai<br>
><br>
</div>> 2011/10/8 Ethan Luo <<a href="mailto:congcong...@gmail.com" target="_blank">congcong...@gmail.com</a>><br>
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><br>
><br>
> > Hi Amin,<br>
><br>
> > I think you can just create a new folder there in branch and start the<br>
> > translation work first. Need to discuss with Dailai how we can process to<br>
> > add a new language in Blender via script.<br>
><br>
> > FYI<br>
><br>
> > (1) run update_msg.py (it needs compiled Blender)<br>
> > (2) run update_pot.py - gather the latest strings from Blender<br>
> > (3) run update_po.py - sync in the new changes from trunk<br>
> > (4) run clean_po.py - remove the no longer needed msgstr/msgid<br>
> > (5) run merge_po.py to bring the new .po file into trunk's .po<br>
><br>
> > Regards,<br>
</div>> > *罗聪翼/Ethan Luo* <<a href="mailto:congcong...@gmail.com" target="_blank">congcong...@gmail.com</a>><br>
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> > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:46 PM, LeoMoon <<a href="mailto:leom...@gmail.com" target="_blank">leom...@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> >> Hello,<br>
><br>
> >> Now that complex script is now supported with right-to-left (I saw the<br>
> >> Arabic example) I want to start the translation for Farsi. Code for<br>
> >> Farsi is "Fa".<br>
><br>
> >> Can somebody point me to the right direction on how to start?<br>
><br>
> >> Thank you for your hard work.</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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