<div dir="ltr">In response to Alberto, thanks for the feedback. <div>I had made a lot of the suggested changes beforehand, and have made more UI related changes.</div><div>In response to the additional remarks:</div><div>- There is a way to rotate or edit just a single normal currently which requires multiple selection modes. Its available in the documentation, as the first topic headlined.</div><div>- I have made changes to copy/paste with a single XYZ box taking all input even for add/multiply.</div><div><br></div><div>I see 2 major problems right now: </div><div>- Binary Weighting: I'll work to make the working of the modifier similar to YAVNE, I did try it today, but a lot of work needs to be redone and storing the face related data for the modifier is something that needs figuring out.</div><div>- Split tool: I understand the importance of the split tool and see many use cases. The split tool is incomplete.</div><div>These 2 items are my top priority, but I need to spend time on reports and documentation.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd say that I'll finish these items after evaluation is over. I'll try to see how much work is possible in the next few days, but I need to shift priority. </div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div>Rohan</div><div><br></div><div>User Documentation(Incomplete): <a href="https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:RohanRathi/GSoC_2017/User_Documentation">https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:RohanRathi/GSoC_2017/User_Documentation</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 3:33 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bf-modeling-request@blender.org" target="_blank">bf-modeling-request@blender.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Bf-modeling mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Custom Normal GSOC feedback (Alberto Vel?zquez)<br>
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 23:17:29 +0200<br>
From: Alberto Vel?zquez <<a href="mailto:alberto3d.1984@gmail.com">alberto3d.1984@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Hi<br>
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I want to thank Rohan by the work in the gsoc about custom normals tools,<br>
he heard all the feedback from users in Blender Artist and made a great<br>
Job. I would also send a last feedback for devs about the tools of gsoc,<br>
that feedback have been writed with the tips of other artist and all that<br>
are a personal opinion thinking in a in-depth feedback. Like I tell in the<br>
email the work from Rohan Rathni is great and we are really happy with the<br>
tools.<br>
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I don?t respond to the original mail form rohan because I sign up in the<br>
mail list later. Sorry for my english.<br>
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*UI*<br>
Actually the UI have some problems.<br>
- The old tool ?Set from faces? from Shading panel should be inside<br>
Normal Tools.<br>
- Normal Tools panel would be named to ?Custom Normal Tools? to not<br>
confuse with shading panel.<br>
- The Average references would be ?weight? and ?Weight by? to make<br>
clear the tool, average sound more like ?shade smooth?. The modifier is<br>
more logic in this topic.<br>
- The Average tools are hard to understand, custom normals? are not all<br>
custom normals?<br>
- People ask why weight go from 1 to 20 value, instead of 1-100 or 0-1,<br>
that sound with more logic from a UX vision.<br>
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*The Binary Weights*<br>
Binary weights has limitations and problems that in a first moment was hard<br>
to see. I didn?t see it when I talked with Rohan, mainly that people have a<br>
lot of problems to understand this mode and workflow.<br>
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The first problem is the solution of binary weights, it don?t make smooth<br>
faces ?weak?, only erase completely of the solution the selected faces.<br>
Giving them a shade smooth solution, instead of give to that faces a<br>
weighted solution but with no effect over the rest of faces. This will give<br>
problems with some situations because you needs adjacent faces with ?weak?<br>
solution but with weighted solution, not only smooth.<br>
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The binary solution workflow is good in the modifier, but in the edit mode<br>
is hard to use. You must clean the custom normal data, select smooth faces<br>
and then use average tool and activate binary weights. It?s really hard to<br>
use in this mode.<br>
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The good solution is a three weights solutions like YAVNE (yes, I know, we<br>
talk a lot of this addon, sorry). These groups are all weighted, only that<br>
the Strong group is not affected by weight of medium group and this is not<br>
affected by the weak group. The problem with this is the implementation,<br>
specially in the modifier, of the way to make faces strong, normal or weak.<br>
Rohan talked about vertex groups way to implement but imo it won?t work and<br>
it is not the best way to implement this function. To see the problem for<br>
example, if you have three loops of faces and the center loop is strong and<br>
the lateral loops weak with vertex groups the three loops are weak, or<br>
viceversa if the exterior loops are strong and center loop weak. And the<br>
user won?t know how to make faces. From an artist pov face data is the<br>
solution.<br>
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*Edit mode tools and missing tools*<br>
- The split normal still working in a bad way, It must use the edges to<br>
split, not split all vertex. From a user point of view it don?t have sense.<br>
If he want split all edges he will select all of them. Also actually cut by<br>
vertex or edge depending of situation (bug).<br>
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- Rotate each normal of a vertex separately: Actually the tool to rotate<br>
normals is really good, with snap, axis,? but we don?t have a way to rotate<br>
only one of the normals. A way to implement this would be with the mouse<br>
wheel to change the normal that you edit or the + or - keys. I think that<br>
it?s a important feature actually.<br>
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- Would be perfect put in directly the normal direction that you want in a<br>
text-box of XYZ. Actually we have this controls with the ?copy/paste? tool.<br>
If you paste a normal and then you changes the values in the Tool Panel you<br>
have this feature. Could be better add this directly to the Normal Tools<br>
Panel directly? Also a Add and multply normal could be good to implement in<br>
the same panel. Some users ask for this feature.<br>
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- Merged tool, a tool that merged normals of vertex near. Like a ?remove<br>
doubles? but without merge vertex, only making same normals for near<br>
vertex. I have used in some projects and help in some situations.<br>
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- Full weighted mode. Actually the modifier works so good that it hard to<br>
find a situation where it?s necessary, but is a option that could be good.<br>
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- Also, other things could be good to see in some future, like triangulate<br>
tool and modifier or LoopCut don?t break the custom normal solution.<br>
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Warm regards<br>
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