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    I replied to this a few days ago but it got hung in the moderation
    que so I thought I would post it again<br>
    <br>
    I would make it the same as the bevel tool for consistency tbh., so
    offset would be fine.<br>
    <br>
    Is there a web portal for this list on the new site? I much prefer
    to use those rather than email if possible :)<br>
    <br>
    -Andy<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/12/2013 15:26, Howard Trickey
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAEZbzg6d0Kb4CHYm+W+cKH0bJG2VmVqyzjO+k_agsyBwrGHOMQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">I want to put the option for how to measure bevel
        width (the tool's 'Amount Type') into the modifier.  Before I
        do, I wondered what people think the default method should be?
        The old method (and what is assumed by models with bevel
        modifier in files pre 2.70) is the 'Offset' method.  I can see
        the argument for making the 'Width' method the default.  Have
        people here tried both extensively enough to have an opinion?
        <div>
          <br>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Howard
          Trickey <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:howard.trickey@gmail.com" target="_blank">howard.trickey@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">OK, revision 61221 has these changes.  Let's
              play with them some before putting them in the modifier,
              since that will affect what is saved in .blend files.
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                <br>
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            <div class="HOEnZb">
              <div class="h5">
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 5:36
                    AM, Howard Trickey <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:howard.trickey@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank">howard.trickey@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">If there are no opinions on my
                        suggestions for naming methods, I think I'm
                        going to go with them and commit the change.
                         Reminder: will change UI to say "Amount "
                        instead if "Offset", and have a dropdown type
                        with choices:
                        <div>
                          Offset</div>
                        <div>Width</div>
                        <div>Height</div>
                        <div>Depth</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>I think I will go with Offset as the
                          default, since that is what users are used to,
                          and existing models with modifiers will have
                          been using that method.  Also checked Wings3D
                          just now and that's what it uses for its
                          (only) method.  Respond now if you think we
                          should make 'Width' the default.</div>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 8, 2013
                              at 7:43 PM, metalliandy <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:metalliandy666@googlemail.com"
                                  target="_blank">metalliandy666@googlemail.com</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
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                                <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
                                  Hi Howard,
                                  <div><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <blockquote type="cite">We can talk
                                      about adding inset-extrude like
                                      capabilities to Bevel later (I'm
                                      not convinced this is the right
                                      place for it -- why not in the
                                      inset tool itself?) </blockquote>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  Ahh, I didnt mean that we add inset
                                  extrude capabilities to Bevel. I meant
                                  that we should add the interactive 3d
                                  viewport control handles that were in
                                  the Inset Extrude addon as they were
                                  super intuitive to use and much better
                                  then using the tool properties.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Modeling/Inset-Extrude"
                                    target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Modeling/Inset-Extrude</a><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPes27n2pIk"
                                    target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPes27n2pIk</a><br>
                                  <br>
                                  Cheers,<br>
                                  <br>
                                  -Andy
                                  <div>
                                    <div><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div>On 08/11/2013 23:24, Howard
                                        Trickey wrote:<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <blockquote type="cite">
                                        <div dir="ltr">We can talk about
                                          adding inset-extrude like
                                          capabilities to Bevel later
                                          (I'm not convinced this is the
                                          right place for it -- why not
                                          in the inset tool itself?)
                                           For now I want to fix the
                                          Bevel bugs and make it so that
                                          people will stop saying "it's
                                          just broken".  So I want to
                                          concentrate on base bevel
                                          functionality first.
                                          <div> <br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>For names of these
                                            different modes, how about
                                            these:</div>
                                          <div>Across Face -> Inset
                                            or Offset</div>
                                          <div>Across New Face ->
                                            Width</div>
                                          <div>Angle Bisector ->
                                            Depth</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Would those make more
                                            sense to you Jonathan?</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                            Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM,
                                            metalliandy <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:metalliandy666@googlemail.com"
                                                target="_blank">metalliandy666@googlemail.com</a>></span>
                                            wrote:<br>
                                            <blockquote
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                                              <div text="#000000"
                                                bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Yes!
                                                That's the one :)<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Cheers!<br>
                                                <br>
                                                -Andy
                                                <div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <div>On 08/11/2013
                                                      21:27, Jonathan
                                                      Williamson wrote:<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <blockquote
                                                      type="cite">
                                                      <div dir="ltr">Andy,
                                                        are you thinking
                                                        of Inset Extrude
                                                        for the
                                                        interactivity? </div>
                                                      <div
                                                        class="gmail_extra"><br
                                                          clear="all">
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Jonathan
                                                          Williamson
                                                          <div><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cgcookie.com" target="_blank">http://cgcookie.com</a></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Fri, Nov 8,
                                                          2013 at 3:25
                                                          PM,
                                                          metalliandy <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:metalliandy666@googlemail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">metalliandy666@googlemail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
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                                                          style="margin:0
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                                                          <div
                                                          text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hey guys,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I think the
                                                          main
                                                          requirement
                                                          for a decent
                                                          bevel is that
                                                          by default the
                                                          result would
                                                          be as even as
                                                          possible with
                                                          the same angle
                                                          & width
                                                          being obtained
                                                          wherever
                                                          possible. Hard
                                                          surface
                                                          modelling is
                                                          made much
                                                          harder by
                                                          inconsistent
                                                          bevel widths
                                                          so I would
                                                          vode for the
                                                          'Along New
                                                          Face' option
                                                          too.<br>
                                                          That being
                                                          said current
                                                          functionality
                                                          should be
                                                          retained of
                                                          course as
                                                          flexibility is
                                                          the key to
                                                          robust
                                                          modelling
                                                          tools. :)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I would also
                                                          like the
                                                          interactive
                                                          control
                                                          handles in the
                                                          3d viewport
                                                          from the old
                                                          inset script
                                                          to make a
                                                          comeback and
                                                          be added to
                                                          the bevel (and
                                                          inset while we
                                                          are at it ;)
                                                          ), though the
                                                          name of the
                                                          addon alludes
                                                          me atm.
                                                          Perhaps
                                                          Jonathan
                                                          remembers the
                                                          one I mean? If
                                                          not I will
                                                          find it out
                                                          later and post
                                                          it.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          For the naming
                                                          I would use
                                                          amount or
                                                          percentage vs
                                                          fraction too.
                                                          I think they
                                                          would make
                                                          much more
                                                          sense to
                                                          artists in
                                                          general. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Cheers,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          -Andy
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>On
                                                          08/11/2013
                                                          19:54,
                                                          Jonathan
                                                          Williamson
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hey
                                                          Howard,
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I think
                                                          these options
                                                          would be very
                                                          valuable. I
                                                          know that in
                                                          my work I
                                                          would
                                                          generally
                                                          prefer the <b>Along
                                                          New Face </b>option.
                                                          I also see the
                                                          <b>Along the
                                                          Bisector </b>option
                                                          to be quite
                                                          valuable for
                                                          when you want
                                                          to chamfer a
                                                          specific
                                                          amount. </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>As for
                                                          naming, I
                                                          think <b>Amount

                                                          </b>is a
                                                          better name.
                                                          Offset to me
                                                          means distance
                                                          shifted from
                                                          center.
                                                          Whereas while
                                                          beveling what
                                                          I care about
                                                          is the "amount
                                                          of beveling". </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Percentage
                                                          is consistent
                                                          with other
                                                          areas of
                                                          Blender I
                                                          believe, and
                                                          so I suggest
                                                          leaving that
                                                          as is. I don't
                                                          know of
                                                          anywhere that
                                                          uses
                                                          "Fraction".</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>As for
                                                          naming of the
                                                          methods, I'm
                                                          not sure. I
                                                          don't
                                                          particularly
                                                          like the
                                                          existing
                                                          naming, as it
                                                          doesn't
                                                          clearly
                                                          explain the
                                                          method to me.
                                                          But I cannot
                                                          currently
                                                          think of a
                                                          better
                                                          alternative.
                                                          If I think of
                                                          something I'll
                                                          let you know.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br
                                                          clear="all">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Jonathan
                                                          Williamson
                                                          <div><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cgcookie.com" target="_blank">http://cgcookie.com</a></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Fri, Nov 8,
                                                          2013 at 1:45
                                                          PM, Howard
                                                          Trickey <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:howard.trickey@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">howard.trickey@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
                                                          style="margin:0
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">I
                                                          have now
                                                          triaged and
                                                          about to
                                                          attack the
                                                          bevel bugs in
                                                          tracker.
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <div>A number
                                                          of them are
                                                          really feature
                                                          requests, in
                                                          that they want
                                                          an algorithm
                                                          that does
                                                          something
                                                          different than
                                                          what the bevel
                                                          algorithm does
                                                          today (and
                                                          there are
                                                          reasons for
                                                          why it does
                                                          what it does
                                                          today).  I'd
                                                          like to start
                                                          a discussion
                                                          of what bevel
                                                          should really
                                                          do -- where it
                                                          should change
                                                          what it does
                                                          today, and
                                                          where we
                                                          should just
                                                          add more
                                                          options.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>E.g.,
                                                          see <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://projects.blender.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=34504&group_id=9&atid=498</a></div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>A start
                                                          of what will
                                                          eventually
                                                          become the
                                                          developer
                                                          documentation
                                                          for the bevel
                                                          code is here:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Howardt/Bevel</a><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>This
                                                          start is about
                                                          how does one
                                                          measure the
                                                          'bevel amount'
                                                          (currently
                                                          called
                                                          'offset' in
                                                          the
                                                          interface).
                                                           Please read.
                                                           You can see
                                                          that there are
                                                          4
                                                          alternatives,
                                                          each with
                                                          something to
                                                          recommend
                                                          themselves.  I
                                                          propose (and
                                                          have already
                                                          implemented,
                                                          but not
                                                          submitted)
                                                          giving all 4
                                                          options to the
                                                          user, with
                                                          'Along Face'
                                                          the default.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Questions
                                                          for this list:</div>
                                                          <div>- Is this
                                                          a good idea?
                                                           Should I
                                                          submit it?</div>
                                                          <div>- Are
                                                          there better
                                                          names for the
                                                          methods?</div>
                                                          <div>- Should
                                                          I change the
                                                          name 'offset'
                                                          in the
                                                          interface to
                                                          something else
                                                          ('amount',
                                                          maybe?); it
                                                          would be kind
                                                          of annoying to
                                                          change the
                                                          code at this
                                                          point, since
                                                          the field
                                                          persisted in
                                                          .blends is
                                                          called
                                                          'offset'.</div>
                                                          <div>- Should
                                                          'Percentage'
                                                          perhaps be
                                                          'Fraction'?  I
                                                          don't remember
                                                          what is common
                                                          in Blender, to
                                                          enter such
                                                          numbers as
                                                          between 0 and
                                                          100, or
                                                          between 0.0
                                                          and 1.0.  One
                                                          problem with
                                                          leaving it as
                                                          Percentage is
                                                          that the
                                                          numbers are
                                                          way out of
                                                          range with the
                                                          numbers used
                                                          for the other
                                                          three methods,
                                                          and I probably
                                                          have to figure
                                                          out how to
                                                          scale the
                                                          interactive
                                                          number
                                                          differently
                                                          when
                                                          Percentage is
                                                          used.  So I
                                                          would prefer
                                                          this to be
                                                          'Fraction'.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>There are
                                                          other
                                                          questions
                                                          about how to
                                                          deal with
                                                          problems when
                                                          all
                                                          constraints
                                                          can't be met
                                                          (when beveling
                                                          several edges
                                                          together); and
                                                          more about the
                                                          algorithm used
                                                          to fill in
                                                          rounded
                                                          corners; I'll
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