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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ohh this will make life so much easier!
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      On 26/06/2013 03:04, Jonathan Williamson wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Then Edit Mode only to begin sounds good to me :)
        If it can sneak into trunk then I'm even happier as this will
        greatly benefit the Contour Retopo add-on Patrick Moore and I
        are working on. 
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            <div dir="ltr">Jonathan Williamson
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:02 PM,
            Campbell Barton <span dir="ltr"><<a
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              @Jonathan, did assume you're asking about this working in
              object mode?<br>
              (as well as edit-mode)<br>
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              Well I didn't try, so not certain...<br>
              but I'm not all that optimistic about this working in
              object mode too,<br>
              the issue there is that it has to work in many more
              situations, so<br>
              needs to be done more carefully and has higher chance of
              breaking<br>
              other draw options.<br>
              Id rather get this trunk-ready editmode-only to begin
              with.<br>
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                  On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Jonathan Williamson<br>
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                  wrote:<br>
                  > This is great Campbell! As I said on IRC, it
                  works perfectly and is a huge<br>
                  > improvement.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > What would it take to make it work in Object
                  Mode? This is certainly lower<br>
                  > priority, but would be nice.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > As for the solid mode only, I have an alternate
                  proposal. Since Hidden Line<br>
                  > is an option to the user, and they must make a
                  conscious choice to enable<br>
                  > it, then I think it should still work in Edit
                  Mode.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Does enabling it in Edit Mode actually disrupt
                  some tools ability to<br>
                  > function, or does it simply alter the workflow
                  for users?<br>
                  ><br>
                  ><br>
                  > Jonathan Williamson<br>
                  > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Campbell Barton
                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  > wrote:<br>
                  >><br>
                  >> heres a patch which may do what your after.<br>
                  >><br>
                  >> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://www.graphicall.org/ftp/ideasman42/hidden_line_r57741.diff"
                    target="_blank">http://www.graphicall.org/ftp/ideasman42/hidden_line_r57741.diff</a><br>
                  >><br>
                  >> - Only works in edit-mode<br>
                  >> - Must be solid mode (note - it could work in
                  wire mode but so many<br>
                  >> tools assume backfacing verts/edges are
                  visible, I chose not to do<br>
                  >> this)<br>
                  >> - To give the behavior suggested, you must
                  enable xray (for the moment).<br>
                  >><br>
                  >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Sean Olson
                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:seanolson@gmail.com">seanolson@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
                  >> > I think it would save me a lot of
                  headaches in trying to visualize my<br>
                  >> > retopo<br>
                  >> > work.  Also +1<br>
                  >> ><br>
                  >> > -Sean<br>
                  >> ><br>
                  >> ><br>
                  >> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:36 PM,
                  metalliandy<br>
                  >> > <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:metalliandy666@googlemail.com">metalliandy666@googlemail.com</a>><br>
                  >> > wrote:<br>
                  >> >><br>
                  >> >> Sounds like a good solution to me.
                  +1<br>
                  >> >> On 26/06/2013 00:37, Jonathan
                  Williamson wrote:<br>
                  >> >><br>
                  >> >> A current problem we have while
                  retopologizing a surface is keeping<br>
                  >> >> track<br>
                  >> >> of the new geometry, while also
                  being able to see the original form<br>
                  >> >> clearly.<br>
                  >> >><br>
                  >> >> I've just discussed the issue with
                  Campbell on IRC and we've come to<br>
                  >> >> the<br>
                  >> >> conclusion that a straight-forward
                  solution to this is a Display option<br>
                  >> >> for<br>
                  >> >> the viewport for "Show Front Edges
                  Only."<br>
                  >> >><br>
                  >> >> Here's the current problem: <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://cl.ly/PsEh"
                    target="_blank">http://cl.ly/PsEh</a><br>
                  >> >><br>
                  >> >> As you can see, while in shaded
                  mode, you practically can't see your<br>
                  >> >> new<br>
                  >> >> geometry.<br>
                  >> >><br>
                  >> >> An ideal display mode would look
                  like this: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://cl.ly/Pt54" target="_blank">http://cl.ly/Pt54</a><br>
                  >> >><br>
                  >> >> This allows you to view the original
                  form in shaded mode, and yet see<br>
                  >> >> the<br>
                  >> >> new mesh in a wireframe, while also
                  hiding all back edges and vertices.<br>
                  >> >><br>
                  >> >> Currently there's two main ways to
                  do this. One is Xray, which gives<br>
                  >> >> you<br>
                  >> >> this: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://cl.ly/PtGQ" target="_blank">http://cl.ly/PtGQ</a>,
                  and then Shrinkwrap. Neither option is good.<br>
                  >> >><br>
                  >> >> Having a "Front Edges Only" option
                  for the Viewport, which would work<br>
                  >> >> on<br>
                  >> >> the currently selected object would
                  be ideal. This would allow you to<br>
                  >> >> easily<br>
                  >> >> see what you're working on while
                  also allowing you to work on multiple<br>
                  >> >> objects easily.<br>
                  >> >><br>
                  >> >><br>
                  >> >><br>
                  >> >> Jonathan Williamson<br>
                  >> >> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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