<div dir="auto">Hey, there.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I was wondering if you could clarify what about, or why, the "Info Editor as a pseudo-top bar" isn't viable.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">A lot of people are already hashing out the details of what buttons should go where, icon sizes, and color choices, so that's not my concern, right now. But, I do worry quite a lot about the idea of having this "God-bar" lording over all the editors and not being "a part of Blender" in the way that the Info Editor is. It's still on an equal functional and conceptual level with the other parts of Blender.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So, I'm just curious why that aspect of the status quo won't work. Because, <span style="font-family:sans-serif">I've been able to address</span> all of the issues that have been brought up, so far, conceptually in my head using a revamped Info Editor. But, I'm not on the UI team, so I'm not sure if there are some specific issues that I (or others) haven't considered that may render that solution ("top bar" as an editor) wildly impractical and unhelpful.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Again, I don't care about button placement or fine details (as I believe that's being competently handled and will continue to be so by very smart people who know what they're doing), but I do care about the larger conceptual implications, going forward, as those will radically impact, decide, and define how we interact and view (idividual perspective, not visual) Blender as a tool and as a piece of software.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks again for all your hard work, guys!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-Jon Landers</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 23, 2017 3:00 AM, <<a href="mailto:bf-interface-request@blender.org">bf-interface-request@blender.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Bf-interface mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Reminder: UI-Meeting Today (Julian Eisel)<br>
2. Blender UI Meeting Notes - 2017-11-22 (Julian Eisel)<br>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Julian Eisel <<a href="mailto:eiseljulian@gmail.com">eiseljulian@gmail.com</a>><br>To: bf-interface <<a href="mailto:bf-interface@blender.org">bf-interface@blender.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:30:05 +0000<br>Subject: [Bf-interface] Reminder: UI-Meeting Today<br><div><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Hi all,</span><br style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><br style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">In 1.5 hours we have another UI meeting.</span><br style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><br style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div dir="auto">It's at 16:00 UTC, (17:00 CEST) in #blender-ui, freenode IRC network.</div></span><br style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Everybody is welcome to join!</span><br style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><br style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">See you then!</span></div><div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">- Julian -</span></div></div>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Julian Eisel <<a href="mailto:eiseljulian@gmail.com">eiseljulian@gmail.com</a>><br>To: bf-interface <<a href="mailto:bf-interface@blender.org">bf-interface@blender.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 23:41:49 +0100<br>Subject: [Bf-interface] Blender UI Meeting Notes - 2017-11-22<br>Hey all,<br>
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Here are the notes from today's 16:00 UTC UI-meeting in<br>
<a href="http://irc.freenode.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">irc.freenode.net</a> #blender-ui.<br>
Sorry for sending them so late, had other stuff to deal with first.<br>
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== Top-bar ==<br>
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* We generally agree that for 2.80, the current solution with the info<br>
editor as "pseudo top-bar" is not really acceptable.<br>
* There are still concerns about the top-bar though, especially<br>
regarding the plan of moving operator redo settings into it (currently<br>
in the tool-shelf).<br>
* Main concern is that there are too many open issues to work on.<br>
* Julian Eisel keeps insisting that this is not the case and that the<br>
top-bar can be made ready with just a few more days of work. Pressure<br>
is on him to prove that!<br>
* He's going to provide test-builds and seek for more user feedback.<br>
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== Other Topics ===<br>
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* Julian will try to direct the Amber asset engine design development<br>
a bit, trying to help making it a user centered and successful<br>
process.<br>
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* Troy Sobotka reminds that colors of the Blender UI are pretty much<br>
broken on many modern displays, esp. Apple ones. Color managing of UI<br>
elements will be needed to solve this.<br>
* Current RGB curves show a good example of what's broken:<br>
<a href="https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Sobotka/Color_Management/Bent_Curves" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.blender.org/<wbr>index.php/User:Sobotka/Color_<wbr>Management/Bent_Curves</a>.<br>
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* Having interactive VR support is still on the radar. Julian visited<br>
the OpenHMD team two weeks ago, a followup document is on its way.<br>
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* A few weeks ago we agreed on having a document on UI targets for<br>
2.8. This was done but caused some discussion amongst developers.<br>
Status: uncertain.<br>
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That's it, thanks!<br>
- Julian -<br>
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