<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,<br><br></div><div>It's great to see that we've got an actual prototype of this now :)<br><br></div><div>I'm wondering why was the camera viewport moved to sit beside the timeline here? To me, it feels like quite an awkward/uncomfortable place to have it - both for seeing the results (the top-right corner works a lot better for that IMO), and also because it reduces the width of the timelines (which isn't something that's too nice to do).<br><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>Joshua<br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Two Tone <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris.s.waters@gmail.com" target="_blank">chris.s.waters@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Here is a screenshot for those who do not or can not have Blender installed, EG those reading on a phone (I'm guilty of this). <a href="http://i.imgur.com/bp6YiQx.png" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/<wbr>bp6YiQx.png</a></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Matias Mendiola <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matias.mendiola@gmail.com" target="_blank">matias.mendiola@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="ES-AR"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">We have been working with Daniel and Antonio on the new layout for use with Grease Pencil in 2D animation, here is a .blend file with the proposal for your review: <a href="http://www.pasteall.org/blend/43073" target="_blank">http://www.pasteall.org/blend/<wbr>43073</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">We'd love if the new layout is part of the new Blender 2.78 to accompany GP v2 release<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Any comments or suggestion are very welcome<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Matias</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-611963600148494978_m_3944982669757659698__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></a></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="ES">De:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="ES"> <a href="mailto:bf-interface-bounces@blender.org" target="_blank">bf-interface-bounces@blender.o<wbr>rg</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bf-interface-bounces@blender.org" target="_blank">bf-interface-bounces@b<wbr>lender.org</a>] <b>En nombre de </b>Blendergit<br><b>Enviado el:</b> sábado, 6 de agosto de 2016 10:34 a. m.<br><b>Para:</b> <a href="mailto:bf-interface@blender.org" target="_blank">bf-interface@blender.org</a><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Bf-interface] Grease Pencil Layout Proposal<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Yes, We could add a predefined set of colors as brushes.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Antonio<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <a href="mailto:pepelandrive@gmail.com" title="pepelandrive@gmail.com" target="_blank">jur ereto</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Saturday, August 6, 2016 2:49 PM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <a href="mailto:bf-interface@blender.org" title="bf-interface@blender.org" target="_blank">bf-interface@blender.org</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Re: [Bf-interface] Grease Pencil Layout Proposal<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">About the color set, rightnow, when you make the first GP stroke in a empty scene, the brushes preset are created, so <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">maybe could be the same thing with a color set. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Daniel<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Blendergit <<a href="mailto:blendergit@gmail.com" target="_blank">blendergit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hi everyone!<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I have seen in ToonBoom that they not only provide a default layout, but a set of predefined colors.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I don’t know if this possible, but to have a set of “ready to use color set” could help a lot to new users.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The theme for GP is a great idea!<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Antonio<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <a href="mailto:aligorith@gmail.com" title="aligorith@gmail.com" target="_blank">Joshua Leung</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Saturday, August 6, 2016 2:58 AM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <a href="mailto:bf-interface@blender.org" title="bf-interface@blender.org" target="_blank">bf-interface@blender.org</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Re: [Bf-interface] Grease Pencil Layout Proposal<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hi Daniel,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Great idea. The proposed layout is quite nice!<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">It shouldn't be a problem to have different panels open in different layouts. IIRC, that's one of the reasons why we have the ability to create different screen layouts in the first place :)<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">About the background color, I suppose there are several options:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">1) Always enable "Use World Background" in the viewports for GP<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">2) Perhaps a theme dedicated for GP work may also be useful?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">3) Distribute a startup.blend with a GP datablock set up ready to go, complete with a standard palette (or set of palettes even), background, and theme settings optimised for GP usage, and put this in a place with install instructions so that users can add this to their Blender download easily. --> This would be like a "present day" prototype of what the eventual Blender 2.8 workflow modes could end up like, so this could be a useful test case for trying out what approaches work/don't work that well...<br><br>---------<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">BTW, there was a list of other changes we were thinking about adding to the default setup that venomgfx had been discussing. We tend to try to not update this file too often as it's a bit of a pain to do it, and it ends up bloating the GIT repository if done too often. (I'd personally love to make the default animation layout not show both the dopesheet and graph editor together and make the output directory for renders be "//render" at the same time for instance instead of tmp/)<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Joshua<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 10:58 AM, jur ereto <<a href="mailto:pepelandrive@gmail.com" target="_blank">pepelandrive@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hi everyone!<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">After the merge of GP v2 in the trunk (Yay!) maybe is time to get a specific layout for the 2D animation for the 2.78.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The idea behind this is just thinking on the new GP users or even the brand new Blender users that come from <br>others 2D animation softs, a easy way to start with, just that.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Matias Mendiola have a ¨2D Animation¨ layout proposal and I really liked, a newbie user see all the important things.<br>Layout pic: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/h9asyun4u8abmty/2D%20Animation%20Layout.jpg?dl=0" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/h9as<wbr>yun4u8abmty/2D%20Animation%<wbr>20Layout.jpg?dl=0</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Example pic: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/h98is8f5jdvpvt4/2D%20Animation%20Layout1.jpg?dl=0" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/h98i<wbr>s8f5jdvpvt4/2D%20Animation%<wbr>20Layout1.jpg?dl=0</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">So, <br>- what do you think about? <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">- Is possible for this specific Layout maintain open/visible certain panels and tabs, Like GP tabs/panels?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">A interesting problem is the color of the 3D background, so dark to paint. Change the default 3D background color just for<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">this seems a little exaggerated :), maybe a optional GP theme is enough, any ideas?<br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Daniel<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Bf-interface mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Bf-interface@blender.org" target="_blank">Bf-interface@blender.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-interface" target="_blank">https://lists.blender.org/mail<wbr>man/listinfo/bf-interface</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Bf-interface mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Bf-interface@blender.org" target="_blank">Bf-interface@blender.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-interface" target="_blank">https://lists.blender.org/mail<wbr>man/listinfo/bf-interface</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Bf-interface mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Bf-interface@blender.org" target="_blank">Bf-interface@blender.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-interface" target="_blank">https://lists.blender.org/mail<wbr>man/listinfo/bf-interface</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Bf-interface mailing list<br></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="mailto:Bf-interface@blender.org" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">Bf-interface@blender.org</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><br></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-interface" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://lists.blender.org/mail<wbr>man/listinfo/bf-interface</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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