<div dir="ltr">But i think i agree with Timur, as i understood the original direction is to make blender more feature rich for the game artist to export models for the various engines on the market and not develop the BGE. Blender needs several features to be useable by professional game artists , and the google docs link that he showed is made by industry professionals with all the features that they want to satisfy their needs. This way blender can be more used in the industry and more and more studios will use it as an alternative to the big (and expensive) suites out there.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/26 Jacob Merrill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:blueprintrandom1@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueprintrandom1@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Despite anything you say,<div><br></div><div>My game is intended to be GPL</div><div>So I am developing on the BGE.</div><div><br></div><div>If you wish to steer people away from developing the game engine and start working on exporters, why don't you go ahead and develop the exporters?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Some people in fact, love the engine,</div><div>and from what I have read, you can in fact sell an exported game, you just have to have all of the source files used from blender in the games files?</div>
<div><br></div><div>also any modification to standing code must be open sourced as well,</div><div><br></div><div>Anything you create, is still yours.....</div><div>or am I wrong here?</div><div><br></div><div>"</div>
<div><b style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">FAQ #1</b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> - </span><i style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">Can you sell games you make with Blender?</i><b style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><br>
Answer</b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> - Yes.</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<b style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">FAQ #2</b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> - </span><i style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">Seriously? You can sell them?</i><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<b style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">Answer</b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> - Yes.... Well, only if you make a game that people want to pay money for.</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><b style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">FAQ #3 </b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">- </span><i style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">But games made with Blender are "infected" with the GPL, right? So people can redistribute your game freely, and there is nothing you can do to stop them, right?</i><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<b style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">Answer</b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> - Wrong. Your game will not inherit the GPL as long as you do not combine your .blend file into the same binary executable with the BlenderPlayer (that is, by using the "Save As Runtime" addon). Keep your .blend file separate and you can license your game however you like. You can work around this by making an empty runtime that calls your external game file. (Instructions are in </span><a href="http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?95406-Tutorial-Using-a-blank-runtime-to-avoid-potential-GPL-concerns" style="color:rgb(52,124,174);text-decoration:none;outline:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px" target="_blank">this very old thread</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">.)</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<b style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">Answer Part B</b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> - Technically, the GPL cannot force you to license your game under the GPL, even if you combine your game file with the blenderplayer into a single runtime file. However, if you do make a runtime like this and then refuse to release your game under the GPL, you would most certainly be violating Blender's license, and there could be very real legal consequences to that. Ton and the folks at the Blender Institute are very nice people, but they don't appreciate illegal usage of Blender software.</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
</div><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">"</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Timur Ariman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:timur_ariman@yahoo.de" target="_blank">timur_ariman@yahoo.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div><div style="font-size:18pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div>Hello People, </div>
<div><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
I thought that the official direction was to make it easier to use (for the users) "more*" open Game engines?</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br>I also thought the money that pays the 2 additional devs, is from the
Steam workshops which is from people that want to use Blender more in a
professional direction which is with the usage of other game engines in
mind?</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
* <br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">to quote the FAQ site of Blender.org*;<br>"With stand-alone games however, any data that is included inside the actual stand-alone executable is covered by the GPL."</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br></div>the BGE sadly doesn´t work
like the rest of Blender;<br> "whether
it's graphics, movies, scripts, exported 3d files or the .blend files
themselves - is your sole property, and can be licensed or sold under
any conditions you prefer."<br><br><a href="http://www.blender.org/education-help/faq/gpl-for-artists/" target="_blank">http://www.blender.org/education-help/faq/gpl-for-artists/</a><br><br><br><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
I would strongly vote that the coding afford goes into the direction that Blender works better with other Game engines, </div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">it would be fine if the BGE gets optimizations but only with the view in mind to make the <br></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">visual presentation easier.</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
take for example Marmoset Toolbag** this is the direction I wish as an artist, the BGE transforms to, no coding needed to show the Stuff visually as near as possible in the Game engines I would use.(udk,unity,cryengine,source, ogre,Leadwerks, MarmaladeSDK,Construct 2, Game maker and so on) maybe the 2D engines would more remain more on a wish list ;)</div>
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**</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc_enHQ2br0" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc_enHQ2br0</a></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">for the creation part, the Blender Gamedev Requests/Issues</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
List, tells the most important aspects to get Blender to a <br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">viable direction.</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:24px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuS_F0ZKX-zTdGxKOEMtRmI2Tno4UUlPZzVfNXB6RHc#gid=0" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuS_F0ZKX-zTdGxKOEMtRmI2Tno4UUlPZzVfNXB6RHc#gid=0</a></div>
<br><br>my intention in writing this is to get a 3D program which can be hugely helpful to even professionals (I´m far away from that but I think that is a good road since some of them wrote into the Google document)<br>
and opens to the public far more than other solutions with in mind that other programs and solutions can actually be helpful and Blender should be known for the ease of usage for import/export aspects for game engines with a nice visualisation part to make the WYSIWYG available to even the non programmers, the most artists which would love to use Blender in
their creation part for Game engines.<br><br>maybe I am confusing this mail-list which seems to only focus on the BGE as a Game engine with the Roadmap form here which proposes another direction;<br><a href="http://code.blender.org/index.php/2013/06/blender-roadmap-2-7-2-8-and-beyond/" target="_blank">http://code.blender.org/index.php/2013/06/blender-roadmap-2-7-2-8-and-beyond/</a><br>
<br>"What should then be dropped is the idea to make Blender have an embedded
“true” game engine. We should acknowledge that we never managed to make
something with the portability and quality of Unreal or Crysis… or even
Unity3D. And Blender’s GPL license is not helping here much either."<br><br><br>greetings<br><br>a regular Blender user.<br><br><br></div></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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