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I too think that fileds should die a horrible death.<BR>
They were invented to tackle bandwidth problems they had back in the 50's. They couldn't send an entire frame in a timely manner, so they just sent half the frmae then the other half and we got to tackle this curse today.<BR>
<BR>
Anyway. Fields are a reality today in the industry and if we want blender to be a real contender for that space, the compositor must be field-aware.<BR>
We are already heading in a great direction with the recent changes to the sequance editor. They sure enhance worflow.<BR>
<BR>
I hope the compositor receives some face-lift too, since then, blender would have an even greater feature set and the features would be more complete than any other package in the market.<BR>
<BR>
Flávio.<BR>
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Em Qua, 2008-02-20 às 13:08 -0500, Bassam Kurdali escreveu:
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">I guess it would be possible for each set of fields (even or odd) to</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">create an interpolated line of pixels where the other field is and use</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">that resultant image (one per field) to do the blur- or maybe just take</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">each field as a half height image, blur it with half the vertical blur</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">distance, then split them back into fields..</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">this would be faster than rendering at 60 frames per second, then doing</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">the fields as a post process, but would not look as good.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">yeah, a naive blur does look horrible (I speak from having fallen into</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">that trap.)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">It would be good to implement a field aware compositor, since some</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">source footage might not be 3d- it could be interlaced video, and it</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">would be good to be able to handle that gracefully in the compositor.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">I hope fields die the miserable death they deserve one of these days.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">bassam <-- a "progressive" ;)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 08:55 -0800, Martin Poirier wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> If you did it the naive way, which is what we do now I</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> assume, yes, it would look like crap.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Martin</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> --- Chris Burt <<A HREF="mailto:desoto@exenex.com">desoto@exenex.com</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > So the answer to my question is yes?</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > --Chris</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Martin Poirier</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > <<A HREF="mailto:theeth@yahoo.com">theeth@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > You wouldn't blur the source as is.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > A smart neighborhood operation on interlaced</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > source</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > could skip odd/even lines, interpolating to</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > reconstitute the missing data (basically trying</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > to</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > separate the interlaced data into two full sized</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > sources), but as I said, I doubt there's enough</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > data</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > to give a good result.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > Martin</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > --- Chris Burt <<A HREF="mailto:desoto@exenex.com">desoto@exenex.com</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > Wouldn't it look awful to blur interlaced</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > video?</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > --Chris</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Martin Poirier</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > <<A HREF="mailto:theeth@yahoo.com">theeth@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > It's probably the best option anyway. Using</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > fields,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > there's too much data missing to do a good</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > blur</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > (or</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > any other neighborhood operations).</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > Martin</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > --- Bassam Kurdali</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > <<A HREF="mailto:bkurdali@freefactory.org">bkurdali@freefactory.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > yeah, I noticed that too the other day,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > came to</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > the</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > same conclusion</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > (60fps, convert to fields after)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 09:44 -0900, Tom M</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > > Hmm that should probably be filed as a</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > bug</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > report,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > instead of a feature request.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > > LetterRip</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Flávio</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > Cardoso</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > Ferreira Pontes</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > > <<A HREF="mailto:flaviocpontes@gmail.com">flaviocpontes@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > > > Anyway, that's my feature suggestion:</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > > > > ></FONT>
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