[Bf-funboard] Warning when auto keyframe active

[Nicholas Rishel]

Here's the patch code to try a red outline around objects that will be
autokeyed if the action is confirmed: http://www.pasteall.org/35548

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Nicholas Rishel <rishel.nick at gmail.com>wrote:

> I just tested my earlier object name mockup, and personally I don't find
> it very noticeable. I'm trying the red object outline now, and will post a
> diff if it seems to work.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Nathan Vegdahl <cessen at cessen.com>wrote:
>
>> What's different from normal in your mockup?  At a glance, I'm
>> honestly not seeing it, which suggests to me that it's not any more
>> visually obvious than the autokey button being toggled on in the
>> timeline.  If it's something you have to intentionally look at, it
>> kind of defeats the purpose, IMO, because you could just check to see
>> if autokey is toggled on.  For it to be effective, it needs to
>> violently grab the user's attention even when they're not thinking.
>> ;-)  It can't be subtle.
>>
>> IMO, either changing the background color or having an obvious colored
>> border around the 3d view would be best.
>>
>> --Nathan
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Nicholas Rishel <rishel.nick at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > This might be a simple and elegant way to communicate "the item you have
>> > selected will be recorded if transformed":
>> > http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=38124
>> >
>> > Sorry if I missed someone else already suggesting this.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:25 AM, Bol Bib <bollebib at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm with you on the seceral proposals for the 3Dview
>> >>
>> >> -record button (I'd prefer bottom right actually..,but just a detail)
>> >> -different theme for the transform gizmo perhaps? glowing? Inverted
>> colors?
>> >> -Different theme or indicator on the Header perhaps?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -colored border might still be my favorite though.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> maybe with the option to turn it off for those who don't want it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> But I don't follow on confirmation of transforming.
>> >>
>> >> That would mean that everytime you make a change ,something flashes.
>> That
>> >> gets old and annoying really quickly,I think.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At the most you could briefly make the cursor have a blinking
>> effect,but
>> >> I'm not sold by this last idea.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Unless I interpreted it wrong?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > From: bassam at urchn.org
>> >> > To: bf-funboard at blender.org
>> >> > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:17:54 -0400
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Bf-funboard] Warning when auto keyframe active
>> >> >
>> >> > yeah, that would work... unless you wanted to use it later for
>> something
>> >> > else!
>> >> > some suggestion:
>> >> >
>> >> > -different theme color for 'transform'. right now, wireframe/border
>> goes
>> >> > white when transforming, this could maybe turn red or some other
>> color
>> >> > to alert instead.
>> >> >
>> >> > the following suggestion have two possibilities: always-on or just
>> >> > during transform:
>> >> >
>> >> > -3d view red rectangle border
>> >> > -red record icon
>> >> > -record text
>> >> > -combination of any of the above
>> >> > -background color of 3d view
>> >> >
>> >> > final suggestion warnings that happen after the transformation has
>> been
>> >> > confirmed:
>> >> >
>> >> > -a color change on transform confirmation: any of the above
>> suggestions
>> >> > or even briefly flashing red the background before going back to
>> normal.
>> >> >
>> >> > -an alert telling that keyframes have been inserted (similar to what
>> >> > happens after pressing i key on a keying set)
>> >> >
>> >> > restatement of problem that led me to the above suggestions:
>> >> >
>> >> > sometimes when autokey is on we forget and transform create
>> keyframes or
>> >> > changing them when that was not desired. a notification of some sort
>> in
>> >> > the 3d view that is obvious can either prevent this, or at least help
>> >> > alert that it has happened so an undo is instantly possible.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 10:49 +1000, Campbell Barton wrote:
>> >> > > Just a note to say Im happy to add some functionality similar to
>> whats
>> >> > > been suggested - but also am not totally convinced a `good enough`
>> >> > > solution has been suggested yet.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Maybe add a record icon in 3d view would be enough (top right? -
>> that
>> >> > > corner is free).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Matjaz Lamut <
>> matjaz.lamut at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > > > Ah yes, completely forgot about the 3d view, where most (all?)
>> of the
>> >> > > > recorded transforms happen. In this case my proposal doesn't
>> really
>> >> work.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Matjaž
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Pietro Grandi
>> >> > > > <pietro.grandi.3d at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> I agree, for my experience the main problems find themselves
>> within
>> >> 3D
>> >> > > >> View.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Bassam Kurdali <
>> bassam at urchn.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> > it's not a terrible idea, but there is one flaw in it:
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > the problem with autokey left on by accident isn't a problem
>> in
>> >> any of
>> >> > > >> > the time-based views. You may not even have these visible. It
>> >> *is* a
>> >> > > >> > problem in the 3D View - at least the way most people use it,
>> as
>> >> > > >> > transforming objects in the 3D view is what generates the
>> >> automatic
>> >> > > >> > keyframe.
>> >> > > >> > therefore any warning sign should be in the 3d view,
>> otherwise it
>> >> can be
>> >> > > >> > totally missed.
>> >> > > >> > A red (or otherwise themable) frame around the 3d view to my
>> mind
>> >> would
>> >> > > >> > be the least obtrusive, but still visible enough to prevent
>> >> accidental
>> >> > > >> > keying.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > anyway, this is all academic unless somebody decides to code
>> it :)
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 22:42 +0200, Matjaz Lamut wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > Hello,
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > The most elegant solution would be to colour the frame
>> cursor
>> >> when
>> >> > > >> > > recording is enabled.
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > - It's the one UI element that appears in all time-related
>> >> editors.
>> >> > > >> > > - It's also a prominent (visible) UI element in said
>> editors.
>> >> > > >> > > - Frame cursor tells from the start that the colour change
>> has
>> >> to do
>> >> > > >> > > something with animation even for unfamiliar users (rather
>> than
>> >> > > >> possibly
>> >> > > >> > > giving the false impression of an error in an editor with a
>> red
>> >> line
>> >> > > >> > around)
>> >> > > >> > > - The rest of the interface can stay nice, calm grey (or
>> >> whichever
>> >> > > >> colour
>> >> > > >> > > one is using)
>> >> > > >> > > - Very simple :)
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > See screenshots for the proposal.
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1482587/Blender%20UI/BlenderRecordOff.png
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1482587/Blender%20UI/BlenderRecordOn.png
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > Regards,
>> >> > > >> > > Matjaž Lamut
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:11 PM, <lemo_net at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > > I agree. I got a lot of trouble with animators letting
>> auto
>> >> key on.
>> >> > > >> > > > A red time line could be cool.
>> >> > > >> > > > Bertrand
>> >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > >> > > > From: Bassam Kurdali <bassam at urchn.org>
>> >> > > >> > > > Sender: bf-funboard-bounces at blender.org
>> >> > > >> > > > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:06:24
>> >> > > >> > > > To: <bf-funboard at blender.org>
>> >> > > >> > > > Reply-To: bassam at urchn.org, bf-funboard at blender.org
>> >> > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [Bf-funboard] Warning when auto keyframe
>> active
>> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > fwiw this comes up when working on group projects; jumping
>> >> into a
>> >> > > >> file
>> >> > > >> > > > where someone has left autokeying on, and getting
>> surprised
>> >> by it.
>> >> > > >> > > >  a red border around the viewport doesn't seem like a
>> terrible
>> >> > > >> solution
>> >> > > >> > > > - even a thin, non annoying one would be noticable. And it
>> >> fits with
>> >> > > >> > > > e.g. changing the border around the camera when we have
>> >> locked camera
>> >> > > >> > to
>> >> > > >> > > > view.
>> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > So I think this is a reasonable suggestion. with colored
>> >> border
>> >> > > >> around
>> >> > > >> > > > the viewport seeming like a best option.
>> >> > > >> > > > or... we could modify dr. epilepsy(1) to turn on when
>> autokey
>> >> is
>> >> > > >> > > > depressed.
>> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > (1)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WGQ6_T6HRA
>> >> > > >> > > > On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 18:19 +0200, Bol Bib wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > > > I second this request,would be very useful to have some
>> >> kind of
>> >> > > >> > (color?)
>> >> > > >> > > > indicator,prefarably in  or around  the viewport,since the
>> >> timeline
>> >> > > >> is
>> >> > > >> > not
>> >> > > >> > > > always around.
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > -some ways: border around viewport
>> >> > > >> > > > > -blinking record button (might be too intrusive tho)
>> >> > > >> > > > > -other..?
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:37:13 +0200
>> >> > > >> > > > > > From: pietro.grandi.3d at gmail.com
>> >> > > >> > > > > > To: bf-funboard at blender.org
>> >> > > >> > > > > > Subject: [Bf-funboard] Warning when auto keyframe
>> active
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > Hi there,
>> >> > > >> > > > > > this is my first post. I'm Pietro Grandi, italian 3D
>> >> artist and
>> >> > > >> > happy
>> >> > > >> > > > > > blender user!
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > I wish to suggest a feature: sometimes I forget the
>> "auto
>> >> > > >> keyframe"
>> >> > > >> > > > toggle
>> >> > > >> > > > > > on and I continue with my work... the result is that I
>> >> come with
>> >> > > >> > lot of
>> >> > > >> > > > > > keyframes that I have to remove manually. Could we
>> have a
>> >> > > >> warning,
>> >> > > >> > > > like a
>> >> > > >> > > > > > red bar or something like this?
>> >> > > >> > > > > > I mean something similar to 3D Studio max, where in
>> 'auto
>> >> > > >> keyframe
>> >> > > >> > > > mode'
>> >> > > >> > > > > > you can see lot of red everywhere.
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > This can sound stupid, maybe, but I think that could
>> be
>> >> useful.
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > Thank you,
>> >> > > >> > > > > > Pietro
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