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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>There is a blender.today thread now too. But Pierre is wrong in
his observation.<br>
</p>
<p>- this list is open for everyone to subscribe (already 15 years).
<br>
- this list has over 1500 members.</p>
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-Ton-
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Ton Roosendaal - <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ton@blender.org">ton@blender.org</a> - <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.blender.org">www.blender.org</a><br>
Chairman Blender Foundation, Director Blender Institute<br>
Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/09/2019 14:03, Pierre Schiller
wrote:<br>
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<div>Also, for all BFCT please consider taking this thread over
to blender.chat, officially. No one is attending this mailing
list, because they have to be first: approved, then confirmed
by email then finally replying to the thread. <br>
</div>
<div>Please consider taking this to blender.chat on Blender
Today community.</div>
<div>Thanks.</div>
<div><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 3:38
PM Pierre Schiller <<a href="mailto:3dcinetv@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">3dcinetv@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Ton. Thank you for making the marvelous
software Blender is today.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">You mention BFCT status could potentially
terminate. I would like to present some considerations
before, please:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">BFCT has been enormous help for me as well
as other trainers. Many studios will not hire or consider
solutions from a hobbyist or a CG artists who is not
directly endorsed with an official profile page like
Blendernetwork.org has done with all BFCT professionals
enrolled in it. The profile hits (page searches) alone
should give a good <b>healthy report</b> on how often <u>top-industry
jobs search for specialized Blender
trainers/professionals</u>. Terminating the BFCT is
cutting out the possibility for an already healthy
community growing for the next wave in the 3D industry: <b>realtime
graphics and VR operative interfaces</b> for 3D
creation. Blender has taken the right steps towards the
future implementing -even beyond implementing- other
scientific and robotic areas surpassing 3D vfx and
animation renders.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"> I have been invited to many organizations
to do <u>live workshops</u> because they trust that I
have done a lot of Blender presentations online and
offline driving the edge of techniques and tools from
version 2.79 onwards ,
endorsed by <b>being BFCT</b>. It required me to give <u>straight
answer to deep technical problems</u> on studios using
Blender or implementing solutions on their own pipelines
with other proprietary software and so their trust is
confirmed on how the certified trainers are endorsed by
the Blender Foundation, thus bringing prestige and
confidence using the software.<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div>I have been given the opportunity to work with such
venturous software developers exploring creativity and
seeing Blender has stand the tests, addons and new
implementations, thus <b>giving these 3d
industry-professionals confidence when they work along
side a BFCT</b>. I can only speak for my cases, but I´m
mostly sure many others will be in this position through
out the world as certified trainers.<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Training studios has been my main goal, and
BFCT helped me through these years to walk in those
presentations and be aware to what the Blender Foundation
was doing in progress of Blender and communicate that
clearly with expectations met from everyone in the room.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Without BFCT certification, anyone stands
with under qualified users in many areas <u>not knowing
what representation Blender would officially have to
showcase as a solution</u> for a<b> studio pipeline or
creatively using it for new break through</b> artistic
styles for movies, games or commercial advertisement...</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div>Having 20+ years in the advertisement industry,
terminating the BFCT would rather hurt the solid
commitment that all BFCT pursue: <b>The efficient
implementation of Blender for studio production across
all platforms and media.</b><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This is my line of work and I would love to
know more information to re-apply for Blender 2.81 BFCT
whenever possible.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div><span><i>Ultimately, there should be "specialized"
training like the Blender Foundation was offering back
in March 2018. For example: "Migrating from 3DsMax to
Blender", "Using Particles for physics simulations",
among others; and have those programs expand upon
review from the BFCT applicant. This is a way to
search for specialized trainer, rather than an average
3d generalist.</i></span></div>
<div><span></span><br>
</div>
<div><i>The BFCT applicant submits his specialized trainer
program and the Blender Foundation evaluates the trainer
and his program to emit official certification.</i></div>
<div>This is my proposal.<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Thank you for your attention.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div>Sincerely,<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">David Rivera.</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at
3:01 PM Carlos Santana <<a
href="mailto:csantanad@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">csantanad@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello there <br>
<br>
I have been for many years outspoken about the fact that
certifications should be extremely more widely available
than they are right now<br>
<br>
Like any other certification from CCNA to brain surgeon,
the important thing it to licence to institutions, not
individuals, it is then the institutions turn to uphold
the quality of the certifiable persons acumen in the
field. <br>
<br>
Under this scheme, Blender foundation remains the sole
giver of certifications, but it does so to accredited
institutes and universities, not individuals.<br>
<br>
I have already gone all the way to Amsterdam and talked
with a few of the people involved in the main teachers
effort, and have already laid out a plan of action to
implement such a scheme in the light of the actual
CG-FX-Studio interest in the talent Blender attracts.<br>
<br>
I could turn this into a solid certification path that
is direly required in order to keep lowering barrier for
the large scale adoption of blender in the other visual
fields not related to the entertainment industry.<br>
<br>
In turn the entertainment industry sure wold love it if
we gave them some tools to remove the guesswork out of
hiring Blender bound talent.<br>
<br>
There is an alternative, are there people willing to
accept it has been my question in the last 7 or so years<br>
<br>
Regards,
<div>Carlos<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 23, 2019
at 1:07 PM Chris Mcfall <<a
href="mailto:chris@unitedfilmdom.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chris@unitedfilmdom.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div dir="auto">Personally i always found the
blender certification gave clients, particularly
universities confidence in hiring me.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto"> In a community like blenders where
there are far more beginner level users than
experienced professionals (particularly ones
capable of imparting training in a digestible
manner) a certification needs to exist, or
institutions looking for training are going to
wind up disillusioned hiring under-experienced
users who misrepresent blenders capability’s and
this may negatively impact the uptake of
institutions and pro studios. As someone who has
taught blender at a number of prestigious
universities, schools, and professional
institutions. I believe a tier of quality
trainers for blender is invaluable. Perhaps
charging for the certification again and using
that fee to manage pay for the infrastructure
would be worth while. </div>
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<div><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 23 Sep
2019 at 18:32, Gossett, Evalyn J <<a
href="mailto:egossett@iun.edu" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">egossett@iun.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Hello everyone
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you for the update. </div>
<div>I need training maybe not certification. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Thank you<br>
<br>
<div
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dir="ltr"><span>Evalyn J. Gossett</span>
<div><span>DNP, RN</span></div>
<div><span><br>
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<div><span>Sent from my iPhone </span></div>
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On Sep 23, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Ton
Roosendaal <<a
href="mailto:ton@blender.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ton@blender.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi everyone,</p>
<p>The certified trainer program is
dwindling and doesn't get much
attention nor enthusiasm from trainers
really.
<br>
This email is to open the discussion
on stopping with the certification
program, and to provide an
alternative.</p>
<p><a
href="https://www.blender.org/certification/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.blender.org/certification/<br>
</a></p>
We installed the certification program
in 2007 on popular request, provided
that:
<p>- there would be a clear process in
place to validate trainers<br>
- it would be managed well, preferably
by trainers themselves.</p>
I always had mixed feelings about
providing official certification. A
certificate's value is fully determined
by the quality of the validation
procedure and to have a decent
examination process. The process we had
in place for validating trainers was
very minimal.
<br>
<p>Yet we accepted to do this, because
in 2007 many trainers said it would
help them to get in business. Their
clients or universities demanded that.
Unfortunately that has been true for
very few people only.</p>
<p>Currently there are only 12 active
certifications.<br>
</p>
<p>I propose to stop with certification
now. Not only because of lack of
interest, lack of quality in the
program, but especially because it
does not support the Blender
Foundation's goal - which is about
supporting projects on
<a href="http://blender.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">blender.org</a>
related to making Blender.<br>
</p>
<p>What I then rather do instead is to
re-activate this mailing list, and
discuss with educators what Blender
Foundation can do to help everyone
here better. For example with a
section on
<a href="http://blender.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">blender.org</a>
where educators and trainers can meet
and exchange useful information and
share or download training material.
The Blender Foundation could add also
add staff efforts to coordinate this.</p>
I know this mailing list hasn't been
very active. Hope the mail arrives, and
I'm curious to read your reactions.
<p>Thanks,<br>
</p>
<div>-Ton- <br>
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Ton Roosendaal - <a
href="mailto:ton@blender.org"
target="_blank"
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ton@blender.org</a> - <a
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www.blender.org</a><br>
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Blender Institute<br>
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Netherlands</a><br>
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