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    <p>Hi,</p>
    <p>There is a blender.today thread now too. But Pierre is wrong in
      his observation.<br>
    </p>
    <p>- this list is open for everyone to subscribe (already 15 years).
      <br>
      - this list has over 1500 members.</p>
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      -Ton-
      <br>
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      Ton Roosendaal - <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ton@blender.org">ton@blender.org</a> - <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.blender.org">www.blender.org</a><br>
      Chairman Blender Foundation, Director Blender Institute<br>
      Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands<br>
      <br>
      <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/09/2019 14:03, Pierre Schiller
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CANDHe+YvWOPfe8USZKsG4ju7Wh0jN_vkmfb05je3j2X3mM5oKQ@mail.gmail.com">
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        <div>Also, for all BFCT please consider taking this thread over
          to blender.chat, officially. No one is attending this mailing
          list, because they have to be first: approved, then confirmed
          by email then finally replying to the thread. <br>
        </div>
        <div>Please consider taking this to blender.chat on Blender
          Today community.</div>
        <div>Thanks.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 3:38
          PM Pierre Schiller <<a href="mailto:3dcinetv@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">3dcinetv@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="auto">Hi Ton. Thank you for making the marvelous
              software Blender is today.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">You mention BFCT status could potentially
              terminate. I would like to present some considerations
              before, please:</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">BFCT has been enormous help for me as well
              as other trainers. Many studios will not hire or consider
              solutions from a hobbyist or a CG artists who is not
              directly endorsed with an official profile page like
              Blendernetwork.org has done with all BFCT professionals
              enrolled in it. The profile hits (page searches) alone
              should give a good <b>healthy report</b> on how often <u>top-industry
                jobs search for specialized Blender
                trainers/professionals</u>. Terminating the BFCT is
              cutting out the possibility for an already healthy
              community growing for the next wave in the 3D industry: <b>realtime
                graphics and VR operative interfaces</b> for 3D
              creation. Blender has taken the right steps towards the
              future implementing -even beyond implementing- other
              scientific and robotic areas surpassing 3D vfx and
              animation renders.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"> I have been invited to many organizations
              to do <u>live workshops</u> because they trust that I
              have done a lot of Blender presentations online and
              offline driving the edge of techniques and tools from
              version 2.79 onwards ,
              endorsed by <b>being BFCT</b>. It required me to give <u>straight
                answer to deep technical problems</u> on studios using
              Blender or implementing solutions on their own pipelines
              with other proprietary software and so their trust is
              confirmed on how the certified trainers are endorsed by
              the Blender Foundation, thus bringing prestige and
              confidence using the software.<br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div>I have been given the opportunity to work with such
              venturous software developers exploring creativity and
              seeing Blender has stand the tests, addons and new
              implementations, thus <b>giving these 3d
                industry-professionals confidence when they work along
                side a BFCT</b>. I can only speak for my cases, but I´m
              mostly sure many others will be in this position through
              out the world as certified trainers.<br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Training studios has been my main goal, and
              BFCT helped me through these years to walk in those
              presentations and be aware to what the Blender Foundation
              was doing in progress of Blender and communicate that
              clearly with expectations met from everyone in the room.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Without BFCT certification, anyone stands
              with under qualified users in many areas <u>not knowing
                what representation Blender would officially have to
                showcase as a solution</u> for a<b> studio pipeline or
                creatively using it for new break through</b> artistic
              styles for movies, games or commercial advertisement...</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div>Having 20+ years in the advertisement industry,
              terminating the BFCT would rather hurt the solid
              commitment that all BFCT pursue: <b>The efficient
                implementation of Blender for studio production across
                all platforms and media.</b><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">This is my line of work and I would love to
              know more information to re-apply for Blender 2.81 BFCT
              whenever possible.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div><span><i>Ultimately, there should be "specialized"
                  training like the Blender Foundation was offering back
                  in March 2018. For example: "Migrating from 3DsMax to
                  Blender", "Using Particles for physics simulations",
                  among others; and have those programs expand upon
                  review from the BFCT applicant. This is a way to
                  search for specialized trainer, rather than an average
                  3d generalist.</i></span></div>
            <div><span></span><br>
            </div>
            <div><i>The BFCT applicant submits his specialized trainer
                program and the Blender Foundation evaluates the trainer
                and his program to emit official certification.</i></div>
            <div>This is my proposal.<br>
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            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Thank you for your attention.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div>Sincerely,<br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">David Rivera.</div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at
              3:01 PM Carlos Santana <<a
                href="mailto:csantanad@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">csantanad@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Hello there <br>
                <br>
                I have been for many years outspoken about the fact that
                certifications should be extremely more widely available
                than they are right now<br>
                <br>
                Like any other certification from CCNA to brain surgeon,
                the important thing it to licence to institutions, not
                individuals, it is then the institutions turn to uphold
                the quality of the certifiable persons acumen in the
                field. <br>
                <br>
                Under this scheme, Blender foundation remains the sole
                giver of certifications, but it does so to accredited
                institutes and universities, not individuals.<br>
                <br>
                I have already gone all the way to Amsterdam and talked
                with a few of the people involved in the main teachers
                effort, and have already laid out a plan of action to
                implement such a scheme in the light of the actual
                CG-FX-Studio interest in the talent Blender attracts.<br>
                <br>
                I could turn this into a solid certification path that
                is direly required in order to keep lowering barrier for
                the large scale adoption of blender in the other visual
                fields not related to the entertainment industry.<br>
                <br>
                In turn the entertainment industry sure wold love it if
                we gave them some tools to remove the guesswork out of
                hiring Blender bound talent.<br>
                <br>
                There is an alternative, are there people willing to
                accept it has been my question in the last 7 or so years<br>
                <br>
                Regards,
                <div>Carlos<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 23, 2019
                  at 1:07 PM Chris Mcfall <<a
                    href="mailto:chris@unitedfilmdom.com"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chris@unitedfilmdom.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                  <div>
                    <div dir="auto">Personally i always found the
                      blender certification gave clients, particularly
                      universities confidence in hiring me.</div>
                    <div dir="auto"><br>
                    </div>
                    <div dir="auto"> In  a community like blenders where
                      there are far more beginner level users than
                      experienced professionals (particularly ones
                      capable of imparting training in a digestible
                      manner) a certification needs to exist, or
                      institutions looking for training are going to
                      wind up disillusioned hiring under-experienced
                      users who misrepresent blenders capability’s and
                      this may negatively impact the uptake of
                      institutions and pro studios.   As someone who has
                      taught blender at a number of prestigious
                      universities, schools, and professional
                      institutions.  I believe a tier of quality
                      trainers for blender is invaluable. Perhaps
                      charging for the certification again and using
                      that fee to manage pay for the infrastructure
                      would be worth while.  </div>
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                  <div><br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 23 Sep
                        2019 at 18:32, Gossett, Evalyn J <<a
                          href="mailto:egossett@iun.edu" target="_blank"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">egossett@iun.edu</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                        <div dir="auto">
                          Hello everyone 
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Thank you for the update. </div>
                          <div>I need training maybe not certification. </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Thank you<br>
                            <br>
                            <div
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                              dir="ltr"><span>Evalyn J. Gossett</span>
                              <div><span>DNP, RN</span></div>
                              <div><span><br>
                                </span></div>
                              <div><span>Sent from my iPhone </span></div>
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                        <div dir="auto">
                          <div>
                            <div dir="ltr"><br>
                              On Sep 23, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Ton
                              Roosendaal <<a
                                href="mailto:ton@blender.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ton@blender.org</a>>
                              wrote:<br>
                              <br>
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                              <div dir="ltr">
                                <p>Hi everyone,</p>
                                <p>The certified trainer program is
                                  dwindling and doesn't get much
                                  attention nor enthusiasm from trainers
                                  really.
                                  <br>
                                  This email is to open the discussion
                                  on stopping with the certification
                                  program, and to provide an
                                  alternative.</p>
                                <p><a
                                    href="https://www.blender.org/certification/"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.blender.org/certification/<br>
                                  </a></p>
                                We installed the certification program
                                in 2007 on popular request, provided
                                that:
                                <p>- there would be a clear process in
                                  place to validate trainers<br>
                                  - it would be managed well, preferably
                                  by trainers themselves.</p>
                                I always had mixed feelings about
                                providing official certification. A
                                certificate's value is fully determined
                                by the quality of the validation
                                procedure and to have a decent
                                examination process. The process we had
                                in place for validating trainers was
                                very minimal.
                                <br>
                                <p>Yet we accepted to do this, because
                                  in 2007 many trainers said it would
                                  help them to get in business. Their
                                  clients or universities demanded that.
                                  Unfortunately that has been true for
                                  very few people only.</p>
                                <p>Currently there are only 12 active
                                  certifications.<br>
                                </p>
                                <p>I propose to stop with certification
                                  now. Not only because of lack of
                                  interest, lack of quality in the
                                  program, but especially because it
                                  does not support the Blender
                                  Foundation's goal - which is about
                                  supporting projects on
                                  <a href="http://blender.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">blender.org</a>
                                  related to making Blender.<br>
                                </p>
                                <p>What I then rather do instead is to
                                  re-activate this mailing list, and
                                  discuss with educators what Blender
                                  Foundation can do to help everyone
                                  here better. For example with a
                                  section on
                                  <a href="http://blender.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">blender.org</a>
                                  where educators and trainers can meet
                                  and exchange useful information and
                                  share or download training material.
                                  The Blender Foundation could add also
                                  add staff efforts to coordinate this.</p>
                                I know this mailing list hasn't been
                                very active. Hope the mail arrives, and
                                I'm curious to read your reactions.
                                <p>Thanks,<br>
                                </p>
                                <div>-Ton- <br>
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                                  Ton Roosendaal - <a
                                    href="mailto:ton@blender.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">
                                    ton@blender.org</a> - <a
                                    href="http://www.blender.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">
                                    www.blender.org</a><br>
                                  Chairman Blender Foundation, Director
                                  Blender Institute<br>
                                  <a
href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/Buikslotermeerplein+161,+1025+ET+Amsterdam,+the+Netherlands?entry=gmail&source=g"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">Buikslotermeerplein
                                    161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the
                                    Netherlands</a><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
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                              <div dir="ltr"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br>
                                <span>Bf-education mailing list</span><br>
                                <span><a
                                    href="mailto:Bf-education@blender.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">Bf-education@blender.org</a></span><br>
                                <span><a
                                    href="https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education</a></span><br>
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                        _______________________________________________<br>
                        Bf-education mailing list<br>
                        <a href="mailto:Bf-education@blender.org"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Bf-education@blender.org</a><br>
                        <a
                          href="https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education"
                          rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education</a><br>
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                  _______________________________________________<br>
                  Bf-education mailing list<br>
                  <a href="mailto:Bf-education@blender.org"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Bf-education@blender.org</a><br>
                  <a
                    href="https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education</a><br>
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              _______________________________________________<br>
              Bf-education mailing list<br>
              <a href="mailto:Bf-education@blender.org" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">Bf-education@blender.org</a><br>
              <a
                href="https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education</a><br>
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