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<font size="-1"><font face="Verdana">Hi all<br>
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I'll be at the BConf in Octobre. I propose a roundtable
discussion on this subject. <br>
Topics:<br>
- Learning content for kids: approach and format.<br>
- Licensing and availability<br>
- challenges <br>
- Other?<br>
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Who wants to join?<br>
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Kind regards,<br>
Monique<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 13/08/15 om 05:43 schreef Peter
Koppatz:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I think that if you explain date
types well, then it is easy for them.
<div class="">Explaining that you have objects and
things that you can do with these objects is the first
step.</div>
<div class="">Then give concrete examples. No need to
get into the technical details. Whole numbers VS
number with point in them is good enough.Or lists and
dictionary are also easy when explained in simple
terms. Of course the age of the kids makes a huge
difference.</div>
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<div>I agree. Most Python courses are explaining datatypes in
the first place. But kids are interested in constructing and
discovering new worlds. So starting with many datatype
specific code, inclusive a print(„hello world“) is in my
opinion the wrong way to go for kids. Therefore in our
course material you will find the Python and datatype
specific parts at the end. By the way most python tutorials
are for Python 2.x and we need Python 3.x in Blender. More
important (Blender is perfect for this task) is to explain
what is an object and how can I create and manipulate
objects. It depends on the age where to start. It would be
possible to deliver a prepared set of objects, so
construction new objects is the goal. Have a look at the
molecule example[1] or you can focus on programming from the
beginning [2,3], as you can see in this example there is no
basic Python datatype involved, there are only objects,
loops and functions (ok lists are involved, but you don’t
have to explain it with all corner cases in the first
place). In one course an 10 years old boy played with the
checker (Halma-Figur) and moved the sphere to the other end
of the cone and surprise after an rotation a new object was
created, a<span class="hps">n ice cream</span> <span
class="hps">with a scoop! </span><span class="hps">I was
surprised</span> <span class="hps">because I was</span> <span
class="hps">fixated on the</span> <span class="hps">Halma</span>
<span class="hps">figure. It was fun. And thats the main
goal of every beginner tutorial, fun, freedom in
constructing and manipulating of objects.</span></div>
<div><span class="hps">The next step is the animation of
objects, but in my opinion, this task is not possible in
two days (thats the usual length of a course), because it
is difficult for a beginner and you need more time for
this task. But again my focus is teaching python with fun
and print is not fun! Blender is fun :-)</span></div>
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<div>Just my two cents.</div>
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<div>Peter</div>
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<div>[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://pymove3d-en.sudile.com/stations/school/ca_chemistry/ca_chemistry_molecules.html"
class="">http://pymove3d-en.sudile.com/stations/school/ca_chemistry/ca_chemistry_molecules.html</a></div>
[2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://pymove3d-en.sudile.com/stations/blender-basics/d_composed_pices/da_simple_pice.html"
class="">http://pymove3d-en.sudile.com/stations/blender-basics/d_composed_pices/da_simple_pice.html</a></div>
<div>[3] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://pymove3d-en.sudile.com/stations/blender-basics/d_composed_pices/dc_complex_pice.html"
class="">http://pymove3d-en.sudile.com/stations/blender-basics/d_composed_pices/dc_complex_pice.html</a><br
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:40
PM, Monique <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a
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Hello Peter,<br class="">
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Thank you for sharing. <br class="">
When it comes to python, personally I wouldn't
start with explaining data types. I've seen some
kids struggle with this. <br class="">
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What is your experience?<br class="">
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Rgds,<br class="">
Monique<br class="">
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<div class="">Op 11/08/15 om 22:02 schreef Peter
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Past months I've been asked to give
Blender workshops to kids between 8
<br class="">
and 16 years old. I searched for
Blender teaching material but
couldn't <br class="">
find much. I decided to use some
simple models from Blendswap and
hide <br class="">
the majority of buttons in the UI.
Surprisingly this worked better than
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expected.<br class="">
The kids were very enthusiastic and
could perform the tasks pretty well.
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At the end I was asked how kids
could continu learning Blender.<br
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This motivated me to start an open
website/platform in NL to teach kids
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more on technology, especially
Blender & Python. But what is a
good <br class="">
format for teaching Blender to kids?<br
class="">
Can we teach Blender to kids in a
same manner as kids are thaught math
<br class="">
or grammar?<br class="">
Are there tutorials or program
lessons available for kids?<br
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Is anyone working on this and
willing to cooperate?<br class="">
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<div class="">The „Python Software
Verband (PySV)" started in 2013 a
programming contest for kids in
Germany[1]. I have written a
collection of tutorials to teach and
prepare interested kids. The focus is
programming with Python! There was
always a great interest in using and
translating the existing german
version. So I started to reorganize
the course material and switched to
use the english version as a master.
Now other people can translate the
english version to other languages.
The course material is available at
bitbucket[2], and Transifex[3] is used
for translations. The prototype of the
new multilingual version is available
at <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="">http://</a><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://pymove3d.sudile.com/"
target="_blank" class="">pymove3d.sudile.com</a>.</div>
<div class="">The new structure and the
translation is a work in progress, and
a little bit a mess, because my
english is very poor. Nevertheless you
could either help to finish and
develop the existing material or
improve the english version or use
parts of the course material as you
like. There are also some open
problems due to the course material in
different languages. I have some ideas
but not a real solution e. g. for
short videos and screenshots (with
text added on the images). SVG could
be a solution. <span class="">Suggestions</span>
<span class="">and</span> <span
class="">help</span> <span class="">is
always appreciated</span><span
class="">.</span></div>
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<div class="">If you have further
questions, ask me.</div>
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<div class="">Kind regards,</div>
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<div class="">Peter</div>
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<div class="">[1] <a
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target="_blank" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pymove3d.pysv.org/">http://pymove3d.pysv.org/</a></a> (German
only)</div>
[2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://bitbucket.org/pkoppatz/pymove3d-en"
target="_blank" class="">https://bitbucket.org/pkoppatz/pymove3d-en</a></div>
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target="_blank" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.transifex.com/pysv/">https://www.transifex.com/pysv/</a></a></div>
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Monique Dewanchand<br class="">
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