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    <font size="-1"><font face="Verdana">Hi all<br>
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        I'll be at the BConf in Octobre. I propose a roundtable
        discussion on this subject. <br>
        Topics:<br>
        - Learning content for kids: approach and format.<br>
        - Licensing and availability<br>
        - challenges <br>
        - Other?<br>
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        Who wants to join?<br>
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        Kind regards,<br>
        Monique<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 13/08/15 om 05:43 schreef Peter
      Koppatz:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr" class="">I think that if you explain date
                types well, then it is easy for them.
                <div class="">Explaining that you have objects and
                  things that you can do with these objects is the first
                  step.</div>
                <div class="">Then give concrete examples. No need to
                  get into the technical details. Whole numbers VS
                  number with point in them is good enough.Or lists and
                  dictionary are also easy when explained in simple
                  terms. Of course the age of the kids makes a huge
                  difference.</div>
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          <div>I agree. Most Python courses are explaining datatypes in
            the first place. But kids are interested in constructing and
            discovering new worlds. So starting with many datatype
            specific code, inclusive a print(„hello world“) is in my
            opinion the wrong way to go for kids. Therefore  in our
            course material you will find the Python and datatype
            specific parts at the end. By the way most python tutorials
            are for Python 2.x and we need Python 3.x in Blender. More
            important (Blender is perfect for this task) is to explain
            what is an object and how can I create and manipulate
            objects.  It depends on the age where to start. It would be
            possible to deliver a prepared set of objects, so
            construction new objects is the goal. Have a look at the
            molecule example[1] or you can focus on programming from the
            beginning [2,3], as you can see in this example there is no
            basic Python datatype involved, there are only objects,
            loops and functions (ok lists are involved, but you don’t
            have to explain it with all corner cases in the first
            place). In one course an 10 years old boy played with the
            checker (Halma-Figur) and moved the sphere to the other end
            of the cone and surprise after an rotation a new object was
            created, a<span class="hps">n ice cream</span> <span
              class="hps">with a scoop! </span><span class="hps">I was
              surprised</span> <span class="hps">because I was</span> <span
              class="hps">fixated on the</span> <span class="hps">Halma</span>
            <span class="hps">figure. It was fun. And thats the main
              goal of every beginner tutorial, fun, freedom in
              constructing and manipulating of objects.</span></div>
          <div><span class="hps">The next step is the  animation of
              objects, but in my opinion, this task is not possible in
              two days (thats the usual length of a course), because it
              is difficult for a beginner and you need more time for
              this task. But again my focus is teaching python with fun
              and print is not fun! Blender is fun :-)</span></div>
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          <div>Just my two cents.</div>
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          <div>Peter</div>
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          <div>[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://pymove3d-en.sudile.com/stations/school/ca_chemistry/ca_chemistry_molecules.html"
              class="">http://pymove3d-en.sudile.com/stations/school/ca_chemistry/ca_chemistry_molecules.html</a></div>
          [2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://pymove3d-en.sudile.com/stations/blender-basics/d_composed_pices/da_simple_pice.html"
            class="">http://pymove3d-en.sudile.com/stations/blender-basics/d_composed_pices/da_simple_pice.html</a></div>
        <div>[3] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://pymove3d-en.sudile.com/stations/blender-basics/d_composed_pices/dc_complex_pice.html"
            class="">http://pymove3d-en.sudile.com/stations/blender-basics/d_composed_pices/dc_complex_pice.html</a><br
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:40
                  PM, Monique <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      target="_blank" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:m.dewanchand@atmind.nl">m.dewanchand@atmind.nl</a></a>></span>
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                      Hello Peter,<br class="">
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                      Thank you for sharing. <br class="">
                      When it comes to python, personally I wouldn't
                      start with explaining data types. I've seen some
                      kids struggle with this. <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      What is your experience?<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Rgds,<br class="">
                      Monique<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <div class="">Op 11/08/15 om 22:02 schreef Peter
                        Koppatz:<br class="">
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                          <blockquote type="cite" class=""> Hi Monique,
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                                    Past months I've been asked to give
                                    Blender workshops to kids between 8
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                                    and 16 years old. I searched for
                                    Blender teaching material but
                                    couldn't <br class="">
                                    find much. I decided to use some
                                    simple models from Blendswap and
                                    hide <br class="">
                                    the majority of buttons in the UI.
                                    Surprisingly this worked better than
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                                    expected.<br class="">
                                    The kids were very enthusiastic and
                                    could perform the tasks pretty well.
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                                    At the end I was asked how kids
                                    could continu learning Blender.<br
                                      class="">
                                    <br class="">
                                    This motivated me to start an open
                                    website/platform in NL to teach kids
                                    <br class="">
                                    more on technology, especially
                                    Blender & Python. But what is a
                                    good <br class="">
                                    format for teaching Blender to kids?<br
                                      class="">
                                    Can we teach Blender to kids in a
                                    same manner as kids are thaught math
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                                    or grammar?<br class="">
                                    Are there tutorials or program
                                    lessons available for kids?<br
                                      class="">
                                    Is anyone working on this and
                                    willing to cooperate?<br class="">
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                                <div class="">The „Python Software
                                  Verband (PySV)" started in 2013 a
                                  programming contest for kids in
                                  Germany[1]. I have written a
                                  collection of tutorials to teach and
                                  prepare interested kids. The focus is
                                  programming with Python! There was
                                  always a great interest in using and
                                  translating the existing german
                                  version. So I started to reorganize
                                  the course material and switched to
                                  use the english version as a master.
                                  Now other people can translate the
                                  english version to other languages.
                                  The course material is available at
                                  bitbucket[2], and Transifex[3] is used
                                  for translations. The prototype of the
                                  new multilingual version is available
                                  at <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="">http://</a><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://pymove3d.sudile.com/"
                                    target="_blank" class="">pymove3d.sudile.com</a>.</div>
                                <div class="">The new structure and the
                                  translation is a work in progress, and
                                  a little bit a mess, because my
                                  english is very poor. Nevertheless you
                                  could either help to finish and
                                  develop the existing material or
                                  improve the english version or use
                                  parts of the course material as you
                                  like. There are also some open
                                  problems due to the course material in
                                  different languages. I have some ideas
                                  but not a real solution e. g.  for
                                  short videos and screenshots (with
                                  text added on the images). SVG could
                                  be a solution. <span class="">Suggestions</span>
                                  <span class="">and</span> <span
                                    class="">help</span> <span class="">is
                                    always appreciated</span><span
                                    class="">.</span></div>
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                                <div class="">If you have further
                                  questions, ask me.</div>
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                                <div class="">Kind regards,</div>
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                                </div>
                                <div class="">Peter</div>
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                                    target="_blank" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pymove3d.pysv.org/">http://pymove3d.pysv.org/</a></a> (German

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                                [2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="https://bitbucket.org/pkoppatz/pymove3d-en"
                                  target="_blank" class="">https://bitbucket.org/pkoppatz/pymove3d-en</a></div>
                              <div class="">[3] <a
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                                  href="https://www.transifex.com/pysv/"
                                  target="_blank" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.transifex.com/pysv/">https://www.transifex.com/pysv/</a></a></div>
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