<div dir="ltr">Dear Piotr.<div><br></div><div>I agree with you about use a discussion forum.</div><div><br></div><div>About the certification, i think we must focus on create a standard test, and the certification process will become after. </div>
<div>I agree about "non professional" feeling about the badges too, but i think it is because we usually see a certificate from a "serious" issuer than a badge. Still the concept of use badges attract me a little :)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Any way i've been thinking about the test and i believe we can start discussing what to evaluate, at which level and with a list of topics to evaluate.</div><div><br></div><div>What do you think?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Octavio.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
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1. Re: Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10 (Piotr Arlukowicz)<br>
2. Re: Blender Foundation Certified Trainer (BFCT) - application<br>
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:52:29 +0100<br>
From: Piotr Arlukowicz <<a href="mailto:piotao@gmail.com" target="_blank">piotao@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10<br>
To: Blender Educators and Trainers <<a href="mailto:bf-education@blender.org" target="_blank">bf-education@blender.org</a>><br>
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?Hi All,<br>
dear Octavio,<br>
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I can set up WIKI page for us like before, but WIKI? is good only for<br>
stationary content, as a documentation system, not for real dynamic<br>
discussion. If we got some clues I will be more than happy to put all our<br>
work somewhere, and then WIKI will serve well. I asked BF already about a<br>
good handy platform for discussion and for documentation of certificate<br>
progress, but we have to wait for them to answer. I you would like, I can<br>
establish a forum (using SMF engine) on my Polish Community pages, which<br>
will be international and open for further discussion. One way or another,<br>
I can setup this in any second.<br>
<br>
I would like to propose the fist topicto be discussed, i think we must<br>
>> begin from the beginning: A blenderuser certification is required?, yes?,<br>
>> no?, why? pros and cons?<br>
><br>
> ?<br>
I would say yes and no. Only in an ideal world we don't need any<br>
certification. Here where we are we need it to prove something. This is<br>
important mainly for business and for self-development purposes. And while<br>
Blender becomes one of the industry and educational standard, we<br>
desperately need something which can standardize things, mainly at the<br>
basic ground level. So, certificates for 101 training are welcome, BFCT is<br>
welcomed, another things are still a subject of discussion.<br>
?<br>
<br>
> About the certificate itself, in thepast, Ton suggest to create or use<br>
>> something like Mozilla Open Badges(<a href="http://openbadges.org" target="_blank">http://openbadges.org</a> ) insteadof a<br>
>> certificate. Seems like a good idea to me, what do you think?.<br>
>><br>
><br>
?I have mixed feelings about badges. They really have to be well-taught in<br>
order to serve seriously as a measurement who represent what. So, we can<br>
allow two approaches: to disperse them to small specialties, ?or just to<br>
keep few of them for bigger things. We can also establish levels or trees<br>
or pyramids and count only the most valuable badges. The system is however<br>
similar to collecting stamp marks, and in my mind it don't fit well for<br>
professional grading system. What do you think?<br>
?<br>
?regards?<br>
piotr<br>
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:43:07 +0100<br>
From: Dolf Veenvliet <<a href="mailto:dolf@macouno.com" target="_blank">dolf@macouno.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Blender Foundation Certified Trainer<br>
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Hi Marcelo,<br>
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I sent your message to the Certification board. Someone will look into it<br>
and will get back to you. It may take a few days because we're all quite<br>
busy, so please be patient. If no one mailed you inside of a week, please<br>
send me a private e-mail and I will look into it for you.<br>
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Dolf<br>
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Piotr Arlukowicz <<a href="mailto:piotao@gmail.com" target="_blank">piotao@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Dear Marcelo,<br>
><br>
> it is a bitter pill to hear that your application somehow get lost. For my<br>
> case the process was a bit similar: after first submission I had to wait<br>
> about two or three months, and everything I managed was done thorough the<br>
> correspondence with Willem. But I had to send an email with questions<br>
> what's going on. As far as I know Willem lives in South Africa, which is<br>
> nice and is creating Blender Community a real international and<br>
> intercontinental. But the response ratio and reaction speed was beyond the<br>
> satisfaction level.<br>
><br>
> Nowadays many people in Blender Foundation are working hard making huge<br>
> changes in their scaffold system: the webpage was just changed, Blender<br>
> Network was integrated, and developers moved from svn to git along with<br>
> many tools. Some services stopped working, some are broken and another one<br>
> are demanding high efforts, so maybe in this time your correspondence just<br>
> get lost due to all of this.<br>
><br>
> I suggest you to write an email to Francesco Siddi, who is in charge of<br>
> keeping an eye on all things. Describe your problem and ask for solutions.<br>
> He is very friendly and as a maintainer of Blender Network, which is<br>
> connecting all BFCT pr0s, he will probably help you. Francesco's email is<br>
> in CC of this email. I hope this will help you a bit.<br>
><br>
> pz<br>
> piotr<br>
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> 2013/12/4 Marcelo V <<a href="mailto:mv_email@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mv_email@yahoo.com</a>><br>
><br>
>> (now in the right thread)<br>
>><br>
>> My application to BFCT did not work and there is a chance that the<br>
>> process is broken somewhere.<br>
>><br>
>> I initially applied and my first submission had some missing information.<br>
>> Fair enough, I followed the suggestions sent by Willem (thanks a lot for<br>
>> the attention BTW) and created a webpage with all required information.<br>
>> Next, I submitted the eForm twice. However, for both attempts, despite I<br>
>> got a "Thank you" webpage after committing the application, I did not get<br>
>> the auto reply email.<br>
>> Therefore, I tried for the third time but submitting with a different<br>
>> email address. At this last time I did get an auto-reply email fine.<br>
>> However, according to Willem, no entry was found in the server.<br>
>><br>
>> Therefore, my application did not go through despite all of my attempts.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Marcelo<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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