<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">Debra,<br><br>I remember badges. They are proposed as a way of multilevel branded semi-certification and I think they could serve well at low-level 101 education. We can then have 'modeler', 'painter', 'skinner', 'vfx artist' and other badges. They have several limitations though and for that reason I think they are unable to replace professional certification completely. To some extent yes, though.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">The limitation is only one - they are dispersed and numerous, like tags cloud.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">So, if you want to know that a person have specific skills, you can look at their badge set, and see all those emblems, let's say 50 of them. What this can tell you?<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">Instead, or along with this one can look for a single certificate that is saying that given person just finished some training and/or is good pro because of finished course. This however hides all details about that person.<br>
<br>So, the gold middle is somewhere between, and the clue to this process is to define good badges, a so called least representative set. They can be bronze, silver, gold or even platinum, that doesn't matter. But in Blender there are so many different specialties and this will lead to so many badges that I'm not quite convinced that this way is reasonable in a long run.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">So, we have BFCT as a top-level certificate, the only one signed by BF. On the other side we have multiple badges. How can we set the grading system to be concise and how to fill in the middle or half-advanced grades?<br>
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)"><br>Can you elaborate more about your badges system and how this work? It is interesting.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
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<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="black">I like the idea of a Certification or Badges. I am already in the process of trying to develop a skills Checklist for my classes. Does anyone know if something already exist?<br>
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From: Octavio Mendez <<a href="mailto:octavio@g-blender.org" target="_blank">octavio@g-blender.org</a>><br>
To: Blender Educators and Trainers <<a href="mailto:bf-education@blender.org" target="_blank">bf-education@blender.org</a>><br></div><div><div class="h5">
Sent: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 8:37 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 - A blender user certification is required?<br>
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<div style="margin-bottom:0in">Hello everyone!</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in">I think there are a lot of topics to
discuss.<br>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in">Piotr, the idea of get discussion
topics organized and keep a record on the wiki sounds great. you've
created the wiki page?<br>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in">We can start with a list of topics,
contributions and questions we would like to talk about, and then
have a discussion on each topic to try to reach common ground.</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in">We can chat on the #blendereducation
IRC channel on freenode too.</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in">Maybe a forum could help to keep track
of all the treads?
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<div style="margin-bottom:0in"><span lang="en-US">The proposal </span><span lang="en-US">here,</span><span lang="en-US">
is </span><span lang="en-US">to</span><span lang="en-US"> create a
standardized tests or exams (or exam set) by skill, </span>and offer
this to schools and colleges to certify students with.<span lang="en-US">
The certificate would still be </span><span lang="en-US">officially</span><span lang="en-US">
issued by the school itself </span><span lang="en-US">not by the BF</span><span lang="en-US">.</span><br>
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<div style="margin-bottom:0in"><span lang="en-US">We all </span><span lang="en-US">on
the mail list, </span><span lang="en-US"> have extensive experience
teaching blender, would be great if we can build a standard that
everyone can use.</span><br>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in">From time to time a blender
student/user or a school/training center ask for an official blender
user certification. And as blender is becoming more popular, the
demand grows. On my humble opinion, a certification is a tool that
tells an employer that an individual has studied some field, and is
used as a certainty that the person you are hiring has the skills to
do the work. I am aware it's not a 100% guarantee of proof, but still
is a recognition of his/her habilities. It will become a
responsibility of the certificate issuer the quality of education a
blender student receives, and i am sure we can help with it, working
on creating a standard for evaluating the knowledge.<br>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in">About the certificate itself, in the
past, Ton suggest to create or use something like Mozilla Open Badges
(<a href="http://openbadges.org/" target="_blank">http://openbadges.org</a> ) instead
of a certificate. Seems like a good idea to me, what do you think?.<br>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0in">I would like to propose the fist topic
to be discussed, i think we must begin from the beginning: A blender
user certification is required?, yes?, no?, why? pros and cons?<br>
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<div style="margin-bottom:0in">Greetings!
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From: Marcelo V <<a href="mailto:mv_email@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mv_email@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: [Bf-education] Blender Foundation Certified Trainer (BFCT) -<br>
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(now in the right thread)<br>
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My application to BFCT did not work and there is a chance that the process is broken somewhere.<br>
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I initially applied and my first submission had some missing information. Fair enough, I followed the suggestions sent by Willem (thanks a lot for the attention BTW) and created a webpage with all required information.<br>
Next, I submitted the eForm twice. However, for both attempts, despite I got a "Thank you" webpage after committing the application, I did not get the auto reply email.<br>
?Therefore, I tried for the third time but submitting with a different email address. At this last time I did get an auto-reply email fine. However,? according to Willem, no entry was found in the server.<br>
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Therefore, my application did not go through despite all of my attempts.<br>
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Hi everyone,<br>
<br>
This discussion has indeed been going, on and off, for multiple years.<br>
<br>
Piotr: you talk a lot about the tasks you set your students, but not their exams... and perhaps that is what this discussion is about? How do you decide your students finished the course successfully, or failed?<br>
<br>
Octavio, do you have students asking your for certification? And if so... certification as what? And... if so... then do you already give them a certificate? We can all always give students a piece of paper that says they completed a course in Blender that we taught... and if you are a certified trainer, that could already be worth a lot? Is the Blender foundation needed for this, or is it just a couple teachers getting together?<br>
<br>
Is it a good idea to do Blender certification (blender basics/advanced), or Skill based certification (3d modelling/animation)?<br>
<br>
And... how to test this? Some basic 3d knowledge can be done multiple choice, but I guess there will always be a part that's "artistic/subjective".<br>
<br>
Dp;f<br>
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Guillermo J Ferro P <<a href="mailto:gferrop@gmail.com" target="_blank">gferrop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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I am very interested<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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>2013/12/4 Octavio Mendez <<a href="mailto:octavio@g-blender.org" target="_blank">octavio@g-blender.org</a>><br>
><br>
>Hello everyone!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>Time ago we discuss about a blender user certification on this list, and sadly we do not reach any result. Since then, has been growing interest in the subject by blender students, schools, and training centers.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>I would like to bring back the topic and see if we can work together on that:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>Ton suggests not to put the efforts on the certification itself, but on the creation of?standardized tests (like "Basic modeling") and offer this to schools and colleges to certify students with.?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>He suggest to: "you can name it very smart in a way people perceive it as official, but the certificate would still be officiallly issued by the school itself. It is what Adobe does for photoshop for example."<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>Who are interested? :)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>--<br>
>><br>
>>Octavio A. M?ndez S?nchez<br>
>><a href="mailto:octavio@g-blender.org" target="_blank">octavio@g-blender.org</a><br>
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Piotr Arlukowicz Comment:<br>
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*By the way, we are talking about more than one thing:*<br>
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- tasks for people who wish to pass some Blender Education classes<br>
- certification process for Blender Education<br>
- certification process for Blender Foundation Certified Trainer<br>
<br>
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Avi Request For Clarification On "Functional Topic" Relating to Blender<br>
Certification Sub-Topics<br>
<br>
My Sub-Topic: How do we strengthen and encourage certification of<br>
"Functional Areas" as Blender is used in many different ways.<br>
<br>
My Funcational Sub topic:<br>
Dance Animation Using Blender<br>
<br>
Blender Guru<br>
Dance Animation Using Blender<br>
<a href="http://www.blenderguru.com/27-inspiring-blender-animations-that-will-make-your-jaw-drop/" target="_blank">http://www.blenderguru.com/27-inspiring-blender-animations-that-will-make-your-jaw-drop/</a><br>
26. HapiLoli<br>
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Conversation: Only 1 person from Japan has know how to do this function !<br>
This Problem that can be overcome by "wise Blender Functional<br>
Certification"<br>
Avi Dey<br>
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Piotr Arlukowicz <<a href="mailto:piotao@gmail.com" target="_blank">piotao@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi Dolf,<br>
><br>
> nice to hear from you! :)<br>
> I don't give a certification during a normal study courses, the University<br>
> is for that. So, Blender classes are included in the whole process as a<br>
> small part although typical course I made lasts for 60-120 hours. If I am<br>
> doing also a standalone course for business or a company, I am usually<br>
> creating my own certificate, but it is far from BFCT and we know that can<br>
> be done just like that. It depends of the level of the course.<br>
><br>
> Blender exams I've done are of two types in general: they can check<br>
> detailed knowledge/skill or be a project-related. The first category is<br>
> very rigid, the second is more artistic oriented and the overall quality<br>
> and mood are important.<br>
><br>
> By the way, we are talking about more than one thing:<br>
> - tasks for people who wish to pass some Blender Education classes<br>
> - certification process for Blender Education<br>
> - certification process for Blender Foundation Certified Trainer<br>
><br>
> So, let's not make a mess and lets focus on particular things, maybe in a<br>
> separate threads?<br>
><br>
> btw Dolf, we have things to do, you know :)<br>
><br>
><br>
> pz<br>
> piotr<br>
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> 2013/12/4 Dolf Veenvliet <<a href="mailto:dolf@macouno.com" target="_blank">dolf@macouno.com</a>><br>
><br>
>> Hi everyone,<br>
>><br>
>> This discussion has indeed been going, on and off, for multiple years.<br>
>><br>
>> Piotr: you talk a lot about the tasks you set your students, but not<br>
>> their exams... and perhaps that is what this discussion is about? How do<br>
>> you decide your students finished the course successfully, or failed?<br>
>><br>
>> Octavio, do you have students asking your for certification? And if so...<br>
>> certification as what? And... if so... then do you already give them a<br>
>> certificate? We can all always give students a piece of paper that says<br>
>> they completed a course in Blender that we taught... and if you are a<br>
>> certified trainer, that could already be worth a lot? Is the Blender<br>
>> foundation needed for this, or is it just a couple teachers getting<br>
>> together?<br>
>><br>
>> Is it a good idea to do Blender certification (blender basics/advanced),<br>
>> or Skill based certification (3d modelling/animation)?<br>
>><br>
>> And... how to test this? Some basic 3d knowledge can be done multiple<br>
>> choice, but I guess there will always be a part that's<br>
>> "artistic/subjective".<br>
>><br>
>> Dp;f<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Guillermo J Ferro P <<a href="mailto:gferrop@gmail.com" target="_blank">gferrop@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> I am very interested<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> 2013/12/4 Octavio Mendez <<a href="mailto:octavio@g-blender.org" target="_blank">octavio@g-blender.org</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> Hello everyone!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Time ago we discuss about a blender user certification on this list,<br>
>>>> and sadly we do not reach any result. Since then, has been growing interest<br>
>>>> in the subject by blender students, schools, and training centers.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I would like to bring back the topic and see if we can work together on<br>
>>>> that:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Ton suggests not to put the efforts on the certification itself, but on<br>
>>>> the creation of standardized tests (like "Basic modeling") and offer<br>
>>>> this to schools and colleges to certify students with.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> He suggest to: "you can name it very smart in a way people perceive it<br>
>>>> as official, but the certificate would still be officiallly issued by the<br>
>>>> school itself. It is what Adobe does for photoshop for example."<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Who are interested? :)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> *Octavio A. M?ndez S?nchez*<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:octavio@g-blender.org" target="_blank">octavio@g-blender.org</a><br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.g-blender.org" target="_blank">www.g-blender.org</a><br>
>>>> 044 473 1034906<br>
>>>> @octagesimal<br>
>>>><br>
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