<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">Avi,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">
your idea of creating a stronger community cooperation is great (in general), and I think that with some effort it is possible to some extent. I'm from Gdansk. This is a tri-city center in the north of Poland, a bit smaller than Warsaw. The Polish Community is very diversified, with many incomers who started learning Blender. The reason people are not interested in making musical videos is just amount of work it requires. The whole thing is not that hard, however and average skilled human animator can do it, I think. I don't know who, however.<br>
<br>Please, if you like to talk about your projects and another things not related to Octavio thread, send a new email to this list with your own title and let's discuss there. I would not like to go so far off topic in this thread.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)"><br>regards<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">pz<br>piotr<br>--<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/12/4 avi dey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adtwinonline@gmail.com" target="_blank">adtwinonline@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><br>Hi Piotr,</div>
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<div>I already did, checked Blender Network.</div>
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<div>There are none who have the experience or interested in these topics that would "fit" into our virtual team culture. <br><br>Also, our project is a community based project, that means people who live in this community , Fairfax Metro DC, that's 5 million people are necessary as a community tv station lab, such as we have requires "eyeball to eyeball meeting". </div>
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<div>Creativity is not a function of just doing stuff over the internet !</div>
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<div>That's why I am trying to develp a "Blender Artist" who also know about game design, not only in my own commuity but other communities as well who want same things we do, ie, "community vitality via arts and science" !</div>
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<div>Hey, you are from Poland, I did a TV Show on Polish Americans as we have quite a few here in America. "Celebrating ethnic voices". </div>
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<div>But most Polish Amerians I know don't speak Polish !</div>
<div><br>So, you live in Warsaw May Be ? </div>
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<div>Warsaw and Fairfax are approximately same size, about 2 million people.</div>
<div><br>Why not start a "community to community link" between Warsaw and Fairfax, C2C to develop interest of people in community vitality through arts and science, using Blender and other video game development tools such as Unity (this is the game engine we plan to use, one of the best, and is offered by a company located near you, ie, Copenhagen, Denmark !</div>
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<div>Makes sense ?</div>
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<div>Avi Dey </div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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<div>Avi Dey <br></div></font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Piotr Arlukowicz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:piotao@gmail.com" target="_blank">piotao@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY:verdana,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(53,28,117);FONT-SIZE:small" class="gmail_default">Avi, your functional subtopic is rather about some kind of animation driven by music. It belongs to a quite specific things and relies on animation of human characters, so it involves rigging, NLA, lipsync, music synchronization and many other things. The whole result is not about single yet nice "Feature" nor single function and involve quite a lot of work in different areas. Maybe you should look at BlenderNetwork and search for artists who have required experience.<br>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY:verdana,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(53,28,117);FONT-SIZE:small" class="gmail_default">The thread started by Octavio is about certification process in Blender Education and already we mentioned some related things.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/12/4 avi dey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adtwinonline@gmail.com" target="_blank">adtwinonline@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<div>December 04, 2013</div>
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<div>Piotr Arlukowicz Comment: </div>
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<div><strong><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#ffffcc">By the way, we are talking about more than one thing:</font></strong></div>
<div><br>- tasks for people who wish to pass some Blender Education classes</div>
<div>- certification process for Blender Education</div>
<div>- certification process for Blender Foundation Certified Trainer</div>
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<div><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#ffffcc">Avi Request For Clarification On "Functional Topic" Relating to Blender Certification Sub-Topics </font></div>
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<div><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#ffffcc">My Sub-Topic: How do we strengthen and encourage certification of "Functional Areas" as Blender is used in many different ways</font>.</div>
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<div><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#ffffcc">My Funcational Sub topic: </font>
<div><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#ffffcc">Dance Animation Using Blender </font></div>
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<div><br>Blender Guru </div>
<div>Dance Animation Using Blender <br><a href="http://www.blenderguru.com/27-inspiring-blender-animations-that-will-make-your-jaw-drop/" target="_blank">http://www.blenderguru.com/27-inspiring-blender-animations-that-will-make-your-jaw-drop/</a><br>
<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#ffffcc">26. HapiLoli</font></div>
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<div>Conversation: Only 1 person from Japan has know how to do this function ! This Problem that can be overcome by "wise Blender Functional Certification" <br></div><span><font color="#888888">
<div>Avi Dey</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Piotr Arlukowicz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:piotao@gmail.com" target="_blank">piotao@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY:verdana,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(53,28,117);FONT-SIZE:small" class="gmail_default">Hi Dolf,<br><br></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY:verdana,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(53,28,117);FONT-SIZE:small" class="gmail_default">nice to hear from you! :)<br></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY:verdana,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(53,28,117);FONT-SIZE:small" class="gmail_default">I don't give a certification during a normal study courses, the University is for that. So, Blender classes are included in the whole process as a small part although typical course I made lasts for 60-120 hours. If I am doing also a standalone course for business or a company, I am usually creating my own certificate, but it is far from BFCT and we know that can be done just like that. It depends of the level of the course.<br>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY:verdana,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(53,28,117);FONT-SIZE:small" class="gmail_default">Blender exams I've done are of two types in general: they can check detailed knowledge/skill or be a project-related. The first category is very rigid, the second is more artistic oriented and the overall quality and mood are important.<br>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY:verdana,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(53,28,117);FONT-SIZE:small" class="gmail_default">By the way, we are talking about more than one thing:<br>- tasks for people who wish to pass some Blender Education classes<br>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY:verdana,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(53,28,117);FONT-SIZE:small" class="gmail_default">- certification process for Blender Education<br></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY:verdana,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(53,28,117);FONT-SIZE:small" class="gmail_default">- certification process for Blender Foundation Certified Trainer<br><br>So, let's not make a mess and lets focus on particular things, maybe in a separate threads?<br>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY:verdana,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(53,28,117);FONT-SIZE:small" class="gmail_default">btw Dolf, we have things to do, you know :)<br><br></div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/12/4 Dolf Veenvliet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dolf@macouno.com" target="_blank">dolf@macouno.com</a>></span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi everyone,
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<div>This discussion has indeed been going, on and off, for multiple years.</div>
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<div>Piotr: you talk a lot about the tasks you set your students, but not their exams... and perhaps that is what this discussion is about? How do you decide your students finished the course successfully, or failed?</div>
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<div>Octavio, do you have students asking your for certification? And if so... certification as what? And... if so... then do you already give them a certificate? We can all always give students a piece of paper that says they completed a course in Blender that we taught... and if you are a certified trainer, that could already be worth a lot? Is the Blender foundation needed for this, or is it just a couple teachers getting together?</div>
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<div>Is it a good idea to do Blender certification (blender basics/advanced), or Skill based certification (3d modelling/animation)?</div>
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<div>And... how to test this? Some basic 3d knowledge can be done multiple choice, but I guess there will always be a part that's "artistic/subjective".</div>
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<div>Dp;f</div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Guillermo J Ferro P <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gferrop@gmail.com" target="_blank">gferrop@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I am very interested<br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/12/4 Octavio Mendez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:octavio@g-blender.org" target="_blank">octavio@g-blender.org</a>></span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello everyone!
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<div>Time ago we discuss about a blender user certification on this list, and sadly we do not reach any result. Since then, has been growing interest in the subject by blender students, schools, and training centers.</div>
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<div>I would like to bring back the topic and see if we can work together on that:</div>
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<div>Ton suggests not to put the efforts on the certification itself, but on the creation of <span style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">standardized tests (like "Basic modeling") and offer this to schools and colleges to certify students with. </span></div>
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">He suggest to: "</font><span style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">you can name it very smart in a way people perceive it as official, but the certificate would still be officiallly issued by the school itself. It is what Adobe does for photoshop for example."</span></div>
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<div>Who are interested? :)<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888">
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