<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)"><span name="Nick Van den Broeck" class="">Hello, Nick Van den Broeck</span>, greetings!<br><br>I also would like to get to the point the discussion was over last time. I have the feeling that there are some 'cases' which are briefly discussed at this list, but no clue is ever achieved. For the last year or two there were several subjects which just died silently (i.e. my question about BFCT logo).<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">So, to let this not die as usual, I volunteer myself to organize the subject and finally put the collected summary of discussions to the WIKI for example. Maybe it requires something more, but WIKI can be easily modified by everybody and we can just prepare there some things. And it already exists. I've did some WIKI edits for "feature films" rush recently also mentioned at this list (but it was not needed for that). Of course, if you agree and there will be a will to get to some point.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">Speaking of the tests, we can definitely share our experience what is good task for students for learn/try and for exam/grade. I am usually giving a bit complex tasks for learning that for exams. So, here are some questions to think of:<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">1. We should collect good examples of tasks which both require specific knowledge and can be easily judged and graded by the teacher. Some examples I gave already and I can elaborate about this more with examples of good and bad solutions.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">2. We can make a list for different subjects of that tasks. They can be our 'proposal of requirements' for good task system for grading.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">3. Somebody from BF could approve this or reject and we can finally have good set of 'official tasks' or we'll have nothing as it is now.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117)">But the grading system performed by different schools in different courses do not need to involve Blender Foundation at all. I don't think BF will sign every paper or justify thousands of exams passed with such 'official' tests. But we can create such set just to help a bit with standardize Education at least a bit.<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/12/4 Nick Van den Broeck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nickvdbroeck@hotmail.com" target="_blank">nickvdbroeck@hotmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Hello everyone,</div>
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<div>I’m new to the mailing list, so I’m not up to speed with the earlier
discussions. But just for absolute clarity.</div>
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<div><em>Your talking about certificates that a university can hand to its
students. So the idea is that we/someone creates a number of standardized tests.
Each university/school/educator can then give this tests to their students and
if the student passes (based on the opinion of the specific educator, who should
base himself on guidelines given together with the tests) then the students gets
a certificate signed by the university/educator.</em></div>
<div><em>I can imagine that this certificate will read something as</em></div>
<div><em>“The university of blablabla hereby states that student blablabla has
fullfilled the Blender Foundation standardized tests and is therefore awarded
with the certificate ‘Blender beginner modeler’”</em></div>
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<div><em>The purpose would be for an employer to be able to better judge the
qualities of applicants and to have some kind of international benchmark that
educators can use.</em></div>
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<div><em>What would such a test be? For the modeling I can imagine giving a few
reference pictures of e.g. cars/buildings/persons and ask a student to model
this within a certain amount of time (e.g. one hard surface model and one
organic model). Then, also give a list of features/techniques/quota for the
educator to judge. Perhapse even accompanied with a ‘theoretical’ (multiple
choise) test to see if a student knows about different functionalities and tools
in Blender.</em></div>
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<div><em>The idea is to make such tests for different area’s of blender
(modeling, animating, textering & compositing, BGE, ...) and for different
levels (beginner, moderate, advanced).</em></div>
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<div>Did I get the idea? </div>
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<div>If yes, then I have a second question which might help the discussion
forward and also help all other new people: What were the problems in the last
discussion? What stopped this idea from materializing last time?</div>
<div>Thirdly, is there a lot of demand for this?</div>
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<div>Fianally, I think that if we want to get something like this done, we need
to make small groups of people setting up specific tests (so yes, perhapse a
page on the wiki or forum is a good idea).</div>
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<div>Regards</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<div>Nick</div></font></span></div></div></div>
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