Hi Friends !<br><br>One of the questions that the Teachers have been asking me, <br>is about linear/nonlinear ways of learning/teaching Blender. <br><br>Most of the proposals are linear, and there are lot's of reasons <br>
for it, one of them, it's to give students a starting base before<br>going into a multitude of tools. <br>Ok, so, our task is not only to discuss the starting base, but what <br>do we offer to students in the middle of the course modules. <br>
Most of our friends here in Brazil and in some other countries <br>agree that we can use a great way of teaching using <br>resources that include wiki, and videos, but in a manner <br>that one is a complement for the other. <br>
I agree completely, because <br>Book of Teacher = A book explainning not ont whats being done, but possible <br>erros and shortcomings to avoid for example, an extrude done in the wrong side <br>by the student. The Student book will show results desired for the students <br>
to know about the specific tool, videos could also be used to a supplemental <br>way of teaching where explanations became boring and useless, and <br>wiki = always the best resource for a technical deep study of the tool. <br>
Also, pointing Teachers to resources like wiki ( not obligating ), <br>but to know better the tools and their behavior in details, and offering <br>supplemental videos to help with results, are a good start.<br>I have embraced the idea of writing those books, <br>
( for teachers and students ) , and also some extras, and <br>also help wiki with more technical info about tools. <br><br>Anyway, if the conversation get too long, I will stop and start <br>writing those books with the things I have been learning not only <br>
teaching Blender, but also with the opinions that Teachers and<br>Students are giving me until 23 January. <br>Then I will make some goals, and a proper schedule. <br>For a complete Blender Course, some friends are also telling me <br>
to consider the same time that Animation Mentor uses <br>to teach is Students ---> 18 months to became a good <br>animator. <br>So, it's a lot of service to do, starting 2012 when I'm in Lisbon, it will take <br>
at least the same time to write the documentation, do extras, and<br>integrate resources like the wiki in a manner that points the students <br>in the right way. <br>Sorry for the long post....<br><br>Good Vibrations !<br>
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Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:28:54 +0100<br>
From: Baptiste G <<a href="mailto:bapsite@gmail.com">bapsite@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Organizing / suporting education<br>
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Hello everybody :-)<br>
<br>
I am also interested in participating on setting up certification and<br>
uniform educational tools.<br>
I believe that Blender is an amazing software-app, with great features out<br>
of the box.<br>
However, there is a need to make a uniform educational package, so people<br>
in Brazil learn the same things as people in Russia :-).<br>
<br>
I believe that in the first stage we need to break down the software in to<br>
bundles, keeping in mind that these bundles all togheter make an end result.<br>
<br>
Just thinking out loud:<br>
<br>
example:<br>
1. layout screen<br>
2. navigation in 3d<br>
3. modelling:<br>
adding meshes<br>
basics<br>
grab, scale, extrude, spin, screw<br>
modifiers<br>
mirror, decimate, shrinkwrap ...<br>
box modelling<br>
edge loop<br>
loop cut<br>
etc<br>
poly modelling<br>
and so on<br>
Curve<br>
bezier<br>
NURBS!!<br>
Surfaces!!<br>
4. lighting<br>
different types of light ( spot, halo, sun )<br>
shadows<br>
light setups<br>
and so on, and so on<br>
<br>
There should also be 3 levels, from beginner, to intermediate, to expert<br>
<br>
a beginner knows nothing, but when he gets trough al the beginner chapters<br>
he is intermediate. When he starts with the intermediate chapters, there is<br>
a referencing back to the intermediate ( stuff they already know ) and<br>
builds on that. After intermediate comes expert, and again building on the<br>
already based knowledge.<br>
<br>
In that way teachers could organise an beginner class, an intermediate, and<br>
an expert, always building on top of each other.<br>
Also student can learn the thing they want,<br>
<br>
For example: I want to be a 3-modeller<br>
<br>
I can follow<br>
navigation and layout<br>
modelling => beginner, intermediate, expert<br>
lighting => beginner<br>
etc=><br>
<br>
Or I want to be a lighting expert<br>
navigation and layout<br>
modelling => beginner<br>
Lighting => beginner, intermediate, expert<br>
compositing => beginner<br>
<br>
Or I want to be a animator<br>
navigation and layout<br>
Armatures => beginner, intermediate, expert<br>
NLA => beginner, intermediate, expert<br>
<br>
<br>
Suggestions, improvement, comments are al welcome, but we need to chunk<br>
down and organize the different parts, flowing into each other ...<br>
<br>
I would really want to help laying out the guidelines, and getting this<br>
very wel organized<br>
<br>
So keep me posted on how I can help.<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:45 PM, laurent <<a href="mailto:laurent@tdm.info">laurent@tdm.info</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> We are also pretty much interested in setting up/ certification for<br>
> Blender that can then be used in Schools/education.<br>
> There are already some existing Professional certifications out there that<br>
> we could use as a base.<br>
><br>
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Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Organizing / suporting education<br>
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Baptiste G <<a href="mailto:bapsite@gmail.com">bapsite@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hello everybody :-)<br>
><br>
> I am also interested in participating on setting up certification and<br>
> uniform educational tools.<br>
> I believe that Blender is an amazing software-app, with great features out<br>
> of the box.<br>
> However, there is a need to make a uniform educational package, so people<br>
> in Brazil learn the same things as people in Russia :-).<br>
><br>
> I believe that in the first stage we need to break down the software in to<br>
> bundles, keeping in mind that these bundles all togheter make an end result.<br>
><br>
> Just thinking out loud:<br>
><br>
> example:<br>
> 1. layout screen<br>
> 2. navigation in 3d<br>
> 3. modelling:<br>
> adding meshes<br>
> basics<br>
> grab, scale, extrude, spin, screw<br>
> modifiers<br>
> mirror, decimate, shrinkwrap ...<br>
> box modelling<br>
> edge loop<br>
> loop cut<br>
> etc<br>
> poly modelling<br>
> and so on<br>
> Curve<br>
> bezier<br>
> NURBS!!<br>
> Surfaces!!<br>
> 4. lighting<br>
> different types of light ( spot, halo, sun )<br>
> shadows<br>
> light setups<br>
> and so on, and so on<br>
><br>
> There should also be 3 levels, from beginner, to intermediate, to expert<br>
><br>
> a beginner knows nothing, but when he gets trough al the beginner chapters<br>
> he is intermediate. When he starts with the intermediate chapters, there is<br>
> a referencing back to the intermediate ( stuff they already know ) and<br>
> builds on that. After intermediate comes expert, and again building on the<br>
> already based knowledge.<br>
><br>
> In that way teachers could organise an beginner class, an intermediate,<br>
> and an expert, always building on top of each other.<br>
> Also student can learn the thing they want,<br>
><br>
> For example: I want to be a 3-modeller<br>
><br>
> I can follow<br>
> navigation and layout<br>
> modelling => beginner, intermediate, expert<br>
> lighting => beginner<br>
> etc=><br>
><br>
> Or I want to be a lighting expert<br>
> navigation and layout<br>
> modelling => beginner<br>
> Lighting => beginner, intermediate, expert<br>
> compositing => beginner<br>
><br>
> Or I want to be a animator<br>
> navigation and layout<br>
> Armatures => beginner, intermediate, expert<br>
> NLA => beginner, intermediate, expert<br>
><br>
><br>
> Suggestions, improvement, comments are al welcome, but we need to chunk<br>
> down and organize the different parts, flowing into each other ...<br>
><br>
> I would really want to help laying out the guidelines, and getting this<br>
> very wel organized<br>
><br>
> So keep me posted on how I can help.<br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
I think what you have said is logical but I am not sure it is the best way<br>
to go.<br>
<br>
Another way to go is to bring the student from beginner to expert in one<br>
very narrow subject with flashy outcomes. The advantage of this way is that<br>
the student ends up at the end of the class with one very nice<br>
and professional thing (pic or animation or whatever). As an example a<br>
student can be given a finished rigged man and then taught all about doing<br>
walking, running, and acting in one 3 month long 5 credit uni class. The<br>
disadvantage is that they are very narrow in what they know. It is also<br>
easier to market something where the students end results are "cool" and<br>
usable in a job. Something that builds his portfolio. There are<br>
other tutorials that I think are not the way to go, for example the cube<br>
man and animation. You can learn a lot from it but are you wanting to show<br>
the results to your boss? I think not.<br>
<br>
I think a good video of this is<br>
<a href="http://thenatureacademy.blenderguru.com/fe/18406-realistic-grass-tutorial" target="_blank">http://thenatureacademy.blenderguru.com/fe/18406-realistic-grass-tutorial</a><br>
This grass is rendered with just the normal blender render. At the end of<br>
this the student can make really good grass. He as learned a lot and his<br>
results look professional and the teaching is upbeat. On the other hand<br>
there is still a LOT that he has not learned with just this one video. I<br>
think that even a beginner could get through this video with just a few<br>
days of help. At the end they will be proud of their results. After a few<br>
months of work like this they could make great pictures.<br>
Some result from his class<br>
<a href="http://www.blenderguru.com/winners-hall-of-fame" target="_blank">http://www.blenderguru.com/winners-hall-of-fame</a><br>
<br>
In case you are wondering, I do not work for or even have any contact with<br>
Andrew Price. I admire what he is doing and what he has accomplished with<br>
blender, as a teacher and as a businessman man. I think we can learn a lot<br>
from what he has done to bring Blender teaching and results to the level<br>
that pros need.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Douglas E Knapp<br>
<br>
Creative Commons Film Group, Helping people make open source movies<br>
with open source software!<br>
<a href="http://douglas.bespin.org/CommonsFilmGroup/phpBB3/index.php" target="_blank">http://douglas.bespin.org/CommonsFilmGroup/phpBB3/index.php</a><br>
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Please link to me and trade links with me!<br>
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