<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Campbell, thank you for the response. I am relieved that I haven't annoyed you. (I took some time before pressing SEND)</div><div><br></div><div>I was told that many of the issues had been discussed and decisions made, ...and then I guess they were burnt onto a write once never read memory and locked away in a vault never to be read again.</div><div><br></div><div>Do you know who knows what's going on? Does anyone know?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 January 2015 at 23:52, Campbell Barton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ideasman42@gmail.com" target="_blank">ideasman42@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Abuelo S. B. Chdancer<br>
<<a href="mailto:playadance@gmail.com">playadance@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I live in hope, but....<br>
><br>
> I have just watched the video, <a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/" target="_blank">http://www.blender.org/documentation/</a> given<br>
> by Francesco Siddi and Cambell Barton. supposedly about documentation.<br>
><br>
> It was about technology to enable documentation, not about documentation.<br>
><br>
> There was a small piece near the end where the documentation process was<br>
> mentioned, but mostly in a way that said... "er we have no idea, that's not<br>
> our area."<br>
><br>
> At the end one guy in the audience asked what I believe was a practical<br>
> non-tech questions, "How do I get involved and maybe write a couple of pages<br>
> about a topic I know?"<br>
><br>
> The presenters responded with more tech because they were giving a<br>
> presentation about technology, not a presentation about documentation.<br>
><br>
> The reply should have been.....<br>
><br>
> Contact this person by ..email, register at this address... state what<br>
> specific topic you think you can help on... you can write it in an email or<br>
> whatever wordprocessor you like and then upload it on this webpage- Please<br>
> contact the person responsible for that section of the manual - the list is<br>
> on the webpage where you can upload the text.<br>
><br>
> Or something to that effect.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Another member of the audience stated the obvious - there has to be a style<br>
> guide.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> You guys have 'ported' (I would say 'copied') the old wiki into a new wiki -<br>
> but the old wiki wasn't designed to work.<br>
><br>
> What you have is a technically slick, probably wonderfully engineered pigs<br>
> ear.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I really, really don't want to annoy anyone saying this. I would like to see<br>
> a good manual. Manuals are hard to create. Explaining in simple prose to<br>
> someone who doesn't have a clue what you know is even harder.<br>
><br>
> The answer is not very tecky. It is social and literary. It requires social<br>
> organization.<br>
><br>
> The tech part is an extremely easy input system (no downloads, no IRC, no<br>
> archived cryptic stuff).<br>
> It requires a webpage that says how to register, a simple checklist or<br>
> dialogue box to state what you feel capable of writing about and an email<br>
> response from someone saying,<br>
> "Glad to have you on board, here's our style sheet and standard layout, send<br>
> me your first draft whenever you can"<br>
><br>
> I live in hope....<br>
<br>
It seems you sum up the situation quite well, as a first step we moved<br>
to a new technology with old (problematic) content,<br>
Francesco and myself are not are more technically focused (not so much writers),<br>
<br>
The reason we didnt hand out an email address is that nobody has that<br>
position (as far as I know).<br>
If a project is community run, you need people in the community to<br>
fill positions - that includes helping others get involved.<br>
<br>
> On 13 January 2015 at 20:29, Greg Zaal <<a href="mailto:gregzzmail@gmail.com">gregzzmail@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Marco,<br>
>><br>
>> I've just updated the Windows install instructions here:<br>
>> <a href="http://blender.org/manual/about/install/windows.html" target="_blank">http://blender.org/manual/about/install/windows.html</a><br>
>><br>
>> Let me know if you have any issues following that :)<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Greg<br>
>><br>
>> On 13 January 2015 at 19:35, marco ardito <<a href="mailto:ardito@apiform.to.it">ardito@apiform.to.it</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> trying to get manual source on my win7x64sp1 work pc...<br>
>>> after installing svn, and ckecked out trunk, then<br>
>>> get python 1.7 with msi installer.... now?<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/get-started" target="_blank">http://www.blender.org/documentation/get-started</a> page says:<br>
>>><br>
>>> "Make sure you have Python 2.7 installed and get the virtualenv tool: pip<br>
>>> install virtualenv"<br>
>>><br>
>>> well I have Python 2.7 installed now, but where should I type "pip<br>
>>> install virtualenv" ?<br>
>>> at the command line... (ie for me d:\python27) "pip install virtualenv"<br>
>>> is not working...<br>
>>><br>
>>> help please...<br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Marco<br>
>>><br>
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