<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I have an issue with using “+" for indicating that we click modifier key with a regular key..<div class="">If we go for Ctrl+A for example, how would we handle a combination of Ctrl and +?</div><div class="">It would look like Ctrl++?</div><div class="">The workaround would of-course be using PLUS, or NUMPLUS as the name of the key.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 27 lis 2014, at 14:20, Greg Zaal <<a href="mailto:gregzzmail@gmail.com" class="">gregzzmail@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">It's not really a big deal I think. If nobody has any strong reason not to do so, I'd like to propose :kbd:`Ctrl` + :kbd:`A` as the standard.<br class=""><br class=""></div>I know it's a bit painful to type, but you can always set up a snippet in your text editor to do the hard work for you (on sublime: <a href="http://www.pasteall.org/55378/html4strict" class="">http://www.pasteall.org/55378/html4strict</a> )<br class=""><br class=""></div>And we should always use upper case (or camel case rather), as in [Ctrl] + [A] and not [ctrl] + [a].<br class=""><br class=""></div>If it's agreed, I'll check the existing content and make it all consistent.<br class=""><br class=""></div>Cheers,<br class="">Greg<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 November 2014 at 14:26, Piotr Arlukowicz <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:piotao@polskikursblendera.pl" target="_blank" class="">piotao@polskikursblendera.pl</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">Just my two cents,<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">I opt for single keys shown always in uppercase for clarity and visibility.<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)"><br class="">It is clear then:<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">A is just single a.<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">Shift+A is just A with shift<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">Using lowercase for 's' and uppercase 'S' for Shift-s is bad because they are not visible enough. The same for u and U, z and Z, o and O, etc.</div><br class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">regards<br class="">Piotr<br class=""></div><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Piotr<br class=""></div>Polski Kurs Blendera: <a href="http://polskikursblendera.pl/" target="_blank" class="">http://polskikursblendera.pl</a>,<br class="">YT: /user/piotao?feature=guide<br class=""></div>FB: /polskikursblendera<br class=""></div>TW: /piotao<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class="h5">
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-27 13:12 GMT+01:00 S J Bennett <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:quollism@ii.net" target="_blank" class="">quollism@ii.net</a>></span>:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Sorry to bikeshed but it'd be nice to have this pinned down. I don't<br class="">
want to have to go back and tediously re-edit something as omnipresent<br class="">
as hotkeys.<br class="">
<br class="">
I did a quick bit of research to see if there's any broader consensus:<br class="">
- Reaper uses [Ctrl]+[Alt]+Right-Click & Drag<br class="">
<a href="http://wiki.cockos.com/wiki/index.php/Item_Editing" target="_blank" class="">http://wiki.cockos.com/wiki/index.php/Item_Editing</a><br class="">
- Houdini says [Ctrl] + [Tab] (boxed text, linking plus)<br class="">
<a href="http://www.sidefx.com/docs/houdini13.0/basics/panes" target="_blank" class="">http://www.sidefx.com/docs/houdini13.0/basics/panes</a><br class="">
- Maya has special graphics for Alt, Shift, Space etc and also uses a<br class="">
linking + outside the boxes<br class="">
<a href="http://download.autodesk.com/global/docs/maya2014/en_us/files/GUID-C8C48B82-85C3-427E-8CE5-E99942FACE0D.htm" target="_blank" class="">http://download.autodesk.com/global/docs/maya2014/en_us/files/GUID-C8C48B82-85C3-427E-8CE5-E99942FACE0D.htm</a><br class="">
Maya also documents its hotkeys in plain lowercase which isn't the<br class="">
most readable thing<br class="">
<a href="http://download.autodesk.com/global/docs/maya2014/en_us/files/Transforming_objects_Move_rotate_or_scale_objects_and_components.htm" target="_blank" class="">http://download.autodesk.com/global/docs/maya2014/en_us/files/Transforming_objects_Move_rotate_or_scale_objects_and_components.htm</a><br class="">
- This article about Photoshop uses Shift+Alt+P and Cmd+Shift+U<br class="">
highlighted in bold - no spaces or boxes<br class="">
<a href="http://www.creativebloq.com/photoshop/photoshop-shortcuts-1012966" target="_blank" class="">http://www.creativebloq.com/photoshop/photoshop-shortcuts-1012966</a><br class="">
<br class="">
The plus seems to be a pretty standard indication of "press all these<br class="">
keys at once". Unlike in :kbd:`Ctrl+A` the plus doesn't tend to appear<br class="">
in the box itself when there is a box. For me [Ctrl] + [A] is visually<br class="">
less problematic than [Ctrl+A] - it's less crammed together and more<br class="">
legible as a result. Separating the different keys into their boxes<br class="">
makes the box around [Ctrl] etc a reliable visual metaphor for a single key.<br class="">
<br class="">
What does everyone think?<br class="">
<br class="">
Also any thoughts on whether to make single keys like 'k' or 'g'<br class="">
uppercase or lowercase when describing them as shortcuts? The monospace<br class="">
font I'm seeing on my system indicates a clear difference between 1, l<br class="">
and I so it's really down to a question of what we prefer.<br class="">
<br class="">
cheers,<br class="">
Simon<br class="">
<div class=""><div class=""><br class="">
On 27/11/2014 2:43 AM, Campbell Barton wrote:<br class="">
> I don't have really strong opinion, but prefer:<br class="">
><br class="">
> :kbd:`Ctrl+A`<br class="">
><br class="">
> Its just easier to type and if you want to chain key bindings its a<br class="">
> bit clearer whats going on.<br class="">
><br class="">
> eg:<br class="">
> :kbd:`Ctrl+F`, :kbd:`W`<br class="">
><br class="">
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:38 PM, S J Bennett <<a href="mailto:quollism@ii.net" target="_blank" class="">quollism@ii.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
>> I dig :kbd:`Ctrl` + :kbd:`a` for simultaneous commands, :kbd:`g` :kbd:`x`<br class="">
>> for sequential commands and :kbd:`g` :kbd:`xx` for key-repeat sequential<br class="">
>> commands.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> I feel like LMB MMB and RMB look better as caps as well.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> cheers,<br class="">
>> Simon<br class="">
>><br class="">
>><br class="">
>> On 26/11/2014 11:53 PM, Greg Zaal wrote:<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Hey folks,<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> How are we handling keyboard shortcuts with modifiers?<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> The style guide (<a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/style-guide" target="_blank" class="">http://www.blender.org/documentation/style-guide</a>) simply<br class="">
>> shows ":kbd:`Lmb`", but what should we do for things like Ctrl + A?<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Possibilities include:<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> :kbd:`Ctrl+A`<br class="">
>> :kbd:`Ctrl-A` (this is used in some places already, but it's not common to<br class="">
>> use '-')<br class="">
>> :kbd:`Ctrl` + :kbd:`A` (this is the prettiest imo)<br class="">
>> :kbd:`Ctrl A`<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> What do you think?<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Cheers,<br class="">
>> Greg Zaal<br class="">
>><br class="">
>><br class="">
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