These pages are live in the wiki.<br>(<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgUiaPsPYcKpdElpc2V3S1JIb21kUTNMT0YzTTJ2X3c#gid=5">Here is a list I am keeping </a>of pages that I've updated)<br><br>A while back I had proposed moving the objects sub-section into the "interaction in 3d" section. I think Empties should be under the object section too, and the "group objects" doesn't need to have a subsection, as it's redundant. Also, I don't like that there's a page called "miscellaneous tools" <br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Jim Tucker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim.tucker@live.co.uk" target="_blank">jim.tucker@live.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Great to have you back again, Jared. You've obviously put a lot of effort into documenting the new mesh features. Please, can you tell me how to look at your new pages?<br> <br>I agree that mesh section needs some form of layout change - in fact, I think the whole modelling layout in the Manual needs a rework (it's too big). Any other views?<br>
<br>Regards,<br>Jim Tucker (sculptorjim)<br> <br><br> <br><div>> From: <a href="mailto:bf-docboard-request@blender.org" target="_blank">bf-docboard-request@blender.org</a><br>> Subject: Bf-docboard Digest, Vol 94, Issue 20<br>
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> thoughts (Jared Reisweber)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 08:59:44 -0600<br>> From: Kesten Broughton <<a href="mailto:solarmobiletrailers@gmail.com" target="_blank">solarmobiletrailers@gmail.com</a>><br>
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> <br>> Nice work jared,<br>> <br>> 1. I had a quick look at a few pages and they look good. If anyone has<br>> time for a thorough critique of a page or two, go ahead, but Jared is an<br>> experienced contributor so edit away!<br>
> <br>> 2. Did mindrones and co have a process for structural changes to the wiki?<br>> If so, we should put Jared's suggestions through it. If not, I suggest we<br>> use this list for discussion of the proposed adds/removals. Perhaps after<br>
> a week, we can announce the proposed changes to bf-committers to get buy-in<br>> from them as well.<br>> <br>> 3. Regarding sections, I agree it's tough to tell between a ==section 2==<br>> and ===section 3==. I would be open to suggestions for adding additional<br>
> notation to distinguish them, however, this might be a bit of a project to<br>> retroactively refit the whole wiki to maintain consistency. A short script<br>> would probably do it, but someone has to write and test it. If wikimedia<br>
> says one ==section1== per page, i'd be reluctant to ignore that unless<br>> there were very strong arguments for it.<br>> <br>> kesten<br>> <br>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:05 AM, Jared Reisweber <<a href="mailto:jaredr122@gmail.com" target="_blank">jaredr122@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
> <br>> > Hello, I've decided to return to help work on the wiki. (I'll try not to<br>> > screw it up this time). It would be great to see it get finished next year.<br>> > I've updated a bunch of mesh editing pages to reflect 2.6 and added some<br>
> > images:<br>> > basic editing, smooth, noise, shrink/fatten, vertex editing, mirror<br>> > editing, face editing, mirror, edge editing, knife tool, bevel (most of<br>> > these were empty).<br>
> > There's a bit more work todo on some of these pages.<br>
> > It's kind of alarming to see how many page views some of these empty pages<br>> > have...<br>> ><br>> > I'd like to try to help update the pages to reflect all the 2.6 mesh<br>> > editing features, however I think the organization of this section may need<br>
> > some reworking in the future (irrelevant pages, missing pages, etc.).<br>> > Currently the pages in this section are the same as the 2.4 manual, but<br>> > many new tools have been added.<br>> > Right now, there are some sections for individual mesh tools, however only<br>
> > a portion of them. If mesh tools are going to have their own page, I would<br>> > think all of them should probably have their own page, except for very<br>> > similar tools, e.g. fill/beauty fill. However, I'm not positive that many<br>
> > of the mesh tools are significant enough to have their own page, though<br>> > there should be some consistency. There may be some redundancy with some of<br>> > the existing pages, for example, Vertex/Edge/Face Editing, where some tools<br>
> > on those pages are not exclusive to vertices/edges/faces.<br>> ><br>> > Pages that should probably be removed from index, as they are now options<br>> > in other tools:<br>> > Spin dup, Subdivide fractal, subdivide smooth, Extrude dup(extinct?)<br>
> > New tools I'm not sure where to put:<br>> > Vertex connect, wireframe, inset, unsubdivide<br>> ><br>> > Anyways, here is an outline<<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jYTZoT3l263fp36mbp8NAPK_sKgeJIMmacd0KOsHA18/edit" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jYTZoT3l263fp36mbp8NAPK_sKgeJIMmacd0KOsHA18/edit</a>>of all the existing core mesh tools arranged by roughly by category (red<br>
> > text indicates tools not yet documented). I did want to put out the<br>> > possibility of having page links go to sections of pages, maybe. This would<br>> > allow all the tools to be exposed on the index page, but not have to have<br>
> > so many small individual pages. Just a thought.<br>> ><br>> > In the meantime, I will continue to help update this section as best I can.<br>> ><br>> > Regarding page formatting, I keep seeing pages for things where there is a<br>
> > single =section1=, and all other sections are ==section2== and<br>> > ===section3=== under the first section. It's visually very hard to tell the<br>> > difference between a section2 and a section3. Is there a standard for how<br>
> > sections in pages should work? It would be nice if there was a better way<br>> > of differentiating between section2/section3 and so on, like an indent, or<br>> > something. According to the mediawiki docs, there should only be one<br>
> > section1, but I find that it makes pages difficult to read.<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Bf-docboard mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:Bf-docboard@blender.org" target="_blank">Bf-docboard@blender.org</a><br>
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> President and Technology Director,<br>> Solar Mobile Trailers<br>> <a href="mailto:kesten@solarmobiletrailers.com" target="_blank">kesten@solarmobiletrailers.com</a><br>> <a href="http://www.sunfarmkitchens.ca" target="_blank">www.sunfarmkitchens.ca</a> <<a href="http://www.sunfarmkitchens.ca" target="_blank">http://www.sunfarmkitchens.ca</a>><br>
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> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:40:58 -0800<br>> From: Jared Reisweber <<a href="mailto:jaredr122@gmail.com" target="_blank">jaredr122@gmail.com</a>><br>
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> <br>> cool, thanks.<br>> <br>> -2. I'm not sure what the right organization of this section is exactly.<br>> It's hard to categorize some tools, like the new rip fill for example; its<br>> a vertex/edge operation, but it also creates faces, and both separates and<br>
> adds geometry, while it is closely related to the normal rip tool, which is<br>> under vertex editing.<br>> <br>> -3. In autodesk manuals, there is a page title, section2 is a "bar" (text<br>> with background color that spans the page width), section3 is bold text,<br>
> and a section4 is a bar again, but is indented. Something to this effect<br>> might be better: (<a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:IndentSections" target="_blank">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:IndentSections</a>),<br>
> indent section3 and up, and reserve section 1 for page titles. Or promote<br>> section2 to section1 style , and 3 to 2, then indent starting section4.<br>> They also have different text color/weight for "terms," ( equivalent of<br>
> {{Literal|..}}) which helps them stand out better from their description,<br>> which I think would be an improvement as well.<br>> <br>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Kesten Broughton <<br>> <a href="mailto:solarmobiletrailers@gmail.com" target="_blank">solarmobiletrailers@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>> > Nice work jared,<br>> ><br>> > 1. I had a quick look at a few pages and they look good. If anyone has<br>> > time for a thorough critique of a page or two, go ahead, but Jared is an<br>
> > experienced contributor so edit away!<br>> ><br>> > 2. Did mindrones and co have a process for structural changes to the<br>> > wiki? If so, we should put Jared's suggestions through it. If not, I<br>
> > suggest we use this list for discussion of the proposed adds/removals.<br>> > Perhaps after a week, we can announce the proposed changes to<br>> > bf-committers to get buy-in from them as well.<br>
> ><br>
> > 3. Regarding sections, I agree it's tough to tell between a ==section 2==<br>> > and ===section 3==. I would be open to suggestions for adding additional<br>> > notation to distinguish them, however, this might be a bit of a project to<br>
> > retroactively refit the whole wiki to maintain consistency. A short script<br>> > would probably do it, but someone has to write and test it. If wikimedia<br>> > says one ==section1== per page, i'd be reluctant to ignore that unless<br>
> > there were very strong arguments for it.<br>> ><br>> > kesten<br>> ><br>> > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:05 AM, Jared Reisweber <<a href="mailto:jaredr122@gmail.com" target="_blank">jaredr122@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
> ><br>> >> Hello, I've decided to return to help work on the wiki. (I'll try not to<br>> >> screw it up this time). It would be great to see it get finished next year.<br>> >> I've updated a bunch of mesh editing pages to reflect 2.6 and added some<br>
> >> images:<br>> >> basic editing, smooth, noise, shrink/fatten, vertex editing, mirror<br>> >> editing, face editing, mirror, edge editing, knife tool, bevel (most of<br>> >> these were empty).<br>
> >> There's a bit more work todo on some of these pages.<br>> >> It's kind of alarming to see how many page views some of these empty<br>> >> pages have...<br>> >><br>> >> I'd like to try to help update the pages to reflect all the 2.6 mesh<br>
> >> editing features, however I think the organization of this section may need<br>> >> some reworking in the future (irrelevant pages, missing pages, etc.).<br>> >> Currently the pages in this section are the same as the 2.4 manual, but<br>
> >> many new tools have been added.<br>> >> Right now, there are some sections for individual mesh tools, however<br>> >> only a portion of them. If mesh tools are going to have their own page, I<br>
> >> would think all of them should probably have their own page, except for<br>> >> very similar tools, e.g. fill/beauty fill. However, I'm not positive that<br>> >> many of the mesh tools are significant enough to have their own page,<br>
> >> though there should be some consistency. There may be some redundancy with<br>> >> some of the existing pages, for example, Vertex/Edge/Face Editing, where<br>> >> some tools on those pages are not exclusive to vertices/edges/faces.<br>
> >><br>> >> Pages that should probably be removed from index, as they are now options<br>> >> in other tools:<br>> >> Spin dup, Subdivide fractal, subdivide smooth, Extrude dup(extinct?)<br>
> >> New tools I'm not sure where to put:<br>> >> Vertex connect, wireframe, inset, unsubdivide<br>> >><br>> >> Anyways, here is an outline<<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jYTZoT3l263fp36mbp8NAPK_sKgeJIMmacd0KOsHA18/edit" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jYTZoT3l263fp36mbp8NAPK_sKgeJIMmacd0KOsHA18/edit</a>>of all the existing core mesh tools arranged by roughly by category (red<br>
> >> text indicates tools not yet documented). I did want to put out the<br>> >> possibility of having page links go to sections of pages, maybe. This would<br>> >> allow all the tools to be exposed on the index page, but not have to have<br>
> >> so many small individual pages. Just a thought.<br>> >><br>> >> In the meantime, I will continue to help update this section as best I<br>> >> can.<br>> >><br>> >> Regarding page formatting, I keep seeing pages for things where there is<br>
> >> a single =section1=, and all other sections are ==section2== and<br>> >> ===section3=== under the first section. It's visually very hard to tell the<br>> >> difference between a section2 and a section3. Is there a standard for how<br>
> >> sections in pages should work? It would be nice if there was a better way<br>> >> of differentiating between section2/section3 and so on, like an indent, or<br>> >> something. According to the mediawiki docs, there should only be one<br>
> >> section1, but I find that it makes pages difficult to read.<br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> Bf-docboard mailing list<br>> >> <a href="mailto:Bf-docboard@blender.org" target="_blank">Bf-docboard@blender.org</a><br>
> >> <a href="http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard" target="_blank">http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard</a><br>> >><br>> >><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > --<br>
> ><br>> > Kesten Broughton<br>> > President and Technology Director,<br>> > Solar Mobile Trailers<br>> > <a href="mailto:kesten@solarmobiletrailers.com" target="_blank">kesten@solarmobiletrailers.com</a><br>
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