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Hi Grey,<br>
<br>
Looks like you did not get what I said the other day on IRC. ;) We
already have pages about how to build blender under linux (as well
as other OSs) :
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Building_Blender">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Building_Blender</a><br>
<br>
These may need a bit cleanup/update, but all in one, they are rather
good currently, imho<br>
<br>
Further more, *building* Blender should not be a user manual's
topic, imho, especially as we provide builds for all OSs (which are
trivial to “install”) ! So a simple link in the manual, the the
aforementioned page, should be enough. :)<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
And merry Christmas to all,<br>
Bastien<br>
<br>
On 25/12/2012 13:30, Ivan Paulos Tomé wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">Hi !<br>
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<div>Recently we are reading the discussions and we have decided<br>
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<div>to solve this problem in a simple way. <br>
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<div>The Linux install is now splitted in 4 pages for the <br>
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<div>most common linux distributions.<br>
<br>
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<div>*Debian based (including Ubuntu, mint, etc)<br>
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<div>*Fedora (The most common Red Hat based project)<br>
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<div>*Arch<br>
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<div>*Gentoo<br>
<br>
I have started writing the chapter for the Debian/Ubuntu
users, here<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Greylica/Doc:2.6/Manual/Introduction/Installing_Blender/Linux/Debian_Ubuntu">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Greylica/Doc:2.6/Manual/Introduction/Installing_Blender/Linux/Debian_Ubuntu</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">We need friends to write documentation
for Arch and Gentoo.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">TerryWallwork uses Fedora and he will
write the page for this <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Linux project.<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Merry Christmas !<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Ivan Paulos Tomé <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
greylica at gmail dot com <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
greylica - My brain is grey like yours !<br>
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1. Re: Page Update
(Doc:2.6/Manual/Introduction/Installing<br>
Blender/Linux) (Fade)<br>
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From: Fade <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 00:20:03 +1000<br>
Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Page Update
(Doc:2.6/Manual/Introduction/Installing Blender/Linux)<br>
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<div>Merry Christmas all! Hope everyone is having/has
had/will have a great day (covering my timezones).<br>
<br>
In terms of documentation for this issue, it's very
easy to find answers for this with a web search as
it's not an uncommon problem. Admittedly it's not
helped at the moment by Gnome's strange insistence on
hiding some useful settings and requiring users to
install separate packages to access some fairly
standard desktop and window settings. Answers are easy
to find on forums etc, but they have a habit of
disappearing and I still don't want to have to
constantly update for distro/WM changes.<br>
<br>
What about providing a general search string for
people to use? It limits the chance of info going out
of date and doesn't rely on a wiki contributor
happening to know the specifics of a particular WM.<br>
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Many Linux distributions default to <span>Alt+</span><span
style="padding-left:3px">LMB</span> for moving
windows which can cause input conflicts since Blender
uses Alt+Click for many operations. The simplest way
to avoid this is to remap this key combination for
your Window Manager. A popular option is to replace
the ALT+LMB combination with Windows+LMB. Note that
the Windows key is also often referred to as the Super
or Meta key. Due to the number of possible
combinations of Linux distributions and Window Manager
versions, it is recommended to consult your Window
Manager's documentation or Operating System's User
forums to identify the most current instructions to
remap keys. A web search using a query similar to the
following will often find the necessary answer within
the first page e.g.<br>
<br>
ubuntu blender window alt<br>
kde blender window alt<br>
<br>
Alternately, you could change the Blender key setting
by editing the relevant Input settings from the User
Preferences window. Note that there are several
settings that need to be changed so the recommended
method is to change the key settings for your Window
Manager.<br>
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Happy holidays.<br>
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Regards<br>
Fade<br>
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On 20/12/12 01:04, Jason van Gumster wrote:<br>
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<pre>But please note my advice: if the Blender developers create a mouse/key
hook that processes Alt-Click and does not allow it to propagate to the OS,
then this discussion does not need more attention.
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<pre>I could be wrong, but I don't think it works that way. In fact, it's the
reverse. AFAIK, the Alt key is intercepted by the window manager before it even
makes it to Blender. Plenty of other applications run into Alt key collisions
as well (hence the reason for the option to switch to Super in a lot of window
managers). This isn't something that can be fixed from Blender's end (and it's
not likely to be changed from the end of the various window managers because
not every keyboard has a Super key).
Probably the best solution for documentation issues like these is a compromise.
The general solution exists (e.g. remap the window manager's Alt to Super), but
each WM does it a bit differently. As such, we should provide the generic
solution and point to the documentation (if easily found) of various window
managers that show specifically how to do it... perhaps as footnotes. When the
window manager changes, we need but change the link or remove it. For the
window managers that aren't mentioned, at least the reader will know what to
look/ask for.
Blender users don't always use the typical window manager options... In fact,
it's been my experience that we avoid the likes of Gnome and KDE in favor of
XFCE, Openbox, and (for weirdos like me) Enlightenment in an effort have
improved workflow or performance. Documenting each of them in-page is going to
end up being difficult to maintain and potentially confusing to read (or at
the very least, the relatively small nuggets of relevant information will be
accidentally skimmed over).
Just my 2 cents...
-Jason
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