<div dir="ltr"><div><div>>Why are the instructions for Ubuntu 11 based on the GUI, but Ubuntu 12<br>
are based on the CLI? Is it because Gnome is different?<br><br></div>Because for Ubuntu 12 with Unity you have to install additional dependencies unless you use the CLI, and this is the simplest (gsettings is installed by default)<br>
<br></div>But please note my advice: if the Blender developers create a mouse/key hook that processes Alt-Click and does not allow it to propagate to the OS, then this discussion does not need more attention.<br><br>T.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Fade <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fade_docboard_blender@ymail.com" target="_blank">fade_docboard_blender@ymail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It's not the amount of text added to this particular page, it's about<br>
ensuring that information is added consistently and cleanly throughout<br>
the wiki. I'm more interested in having an easy to follow standard than<br>
anything else since adding in bits and pieces leads to more questions<br>
and work. e.g.<br>
<br>
- If someone includes the specific info from this page somewhere else in<br>
the wiki, will we know to update it when it changes (see below Gnome<br>
3.4-->3.6)?<br>
- Why are the instructions for Ubuntu 11 based on the GUI, but Ubuntu 12<br>
are based on the CLI? Is it because Gnome is different?<br>
- If so, shouldn't we be listing Gnome or Window manager versions rather<br>
than distro versions?<br>
- Are the instructions for Ubuntu 11 correct if a user has upgraded<br>
their version of Gnome?<br>
- Since some distros offer mutiple versions of the same DE/WM, which one<br>
do we provide info for?<br>
<br>
Most distros that I know of are sitting somewhere around Gnome 3.4-3.6.<br>
Oddly enough, in 3.4, ALT+Click is the default for moving windows, while<br>
Super+Click is the default in 3.6.<br>
<br>
Plus there are distros are still offering Gnome 2 in their repositories<br>
since Gnome 3 hasn't been terribly popular. There is also the Cinnamon<br>
fork of Gnome that is packaged for a number of distros (e.g. Mint,<br>
openSuse etc). Mint looks like it will, if it hasn't already surpass<br>
Ubuntu as the most popular distro. Will there be instructions for it as<br>
will? I doubt that new linux users will know that Cinnamonn is a fork of<br>
Gnome.<br>
<br>
Having said all that, I'm not completely against mentioning the issues,<br>
but I think it will save us work if we either address it generically<br>
(e.g there's an issue, consult the relevant docs which can be found at<br>
this link etc) or through Kesten's ideas. After all, it's hard enough<br>
keeping up with and documenting the changes to Blender let alone other<br>
software as well. ;-)<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Fade<br>
</font></span><div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
On 19/12/12 16:34, Knapp wrote:<br>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Kesten Broughton<br>
> <<a href="mailto:solarmobiletrailers@gmail.com">solarmobiletrailers@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> it does seem inelegant to have os and windowmanager specific stuff sprinkled<br>
>> throughout the wiki.<br>
>> However, it's very frustrating when an instruction set doesn't work with<br>
>> your flavor distro.<br>
>><br>
>> What about having a "platform specific issues" section and then general wiki<br>
>> pages could link with "there are some __platform_specific_issues__".<br>
>><br>
>> The platform/wm specific section could be organized by major section and<br>
>> would hopefully but mostly empty.<br>
>><br>
>> Another option would be to direct the reader to the Discussion tab for the<br>
>> given page, where less formal, less maintained, but still useful material<br>
>> could be tossed around.<br>
>><br>
> I think these are good ideas but the reality is that we are talking<br>
> about 6 sentences. It is not like every distro has different problems<br>
> unless we are talking about compiling.All the distros are the same<br>
> once you have Blender installed. The windows managers are the only<br>
> thing that really changes much and with these we only have about 4<br>
> really popular ones with most of the problems coming from the distros<br>
> made for newbies and that again mostly means Gnome or maybe KDE. It<br>
> seems like like a big fuss for very few lines. I think the current<br>
> page is good.<br>
><br>
<br>
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