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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I probably won't be able to make the
Wednesday meeting as it's right before I leave for work. My
thoughts on the matter are pretty obvious though.<br>
<br>
- I'm in favour of ditching any formal review system of individual
submissions/contributions. <br>
- I don't really like the idea of assigning people roles. e.g.
writer for the modelling chapter. <br>
- I think a targeted review of chapters could work if everyone
still wants some form of peer review. i.e. mini versions of the
effort that created the current task list.<br>
- The task list table is a convenient way of logging and finding
things that need doing and should be continued indefinitely.<br>
<br>
Basically I'd like to see less formal processes and more
generalised goals. Contributors to the wiki tend to drop in and
out over time, so let's work with that. Open up editing again, but
encourage contributors to fix the already identified issues rather
than having the message say they have to wait until someone gets
around to reviewing their contribution. If I'm an infrequent
contributor, I'd be more inclined to continue contributing if I
didn't have to wait for approval and I can clearly see what needs
fixing.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Fade<br>
<br>
On 09/04/12 08:02, Kesten Broughton wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAO2fFsXxryFS6DSk+ynQSq9yWprgRhBJx6pXzFwrZkfNSHkaow@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">we will definitely take notes and post back here.
Does IRC have an auto dump that we can edit? Also, if we don't
get quarum for wed at 2 pm CST, i suggest we try sunday at 10 or
11 am GMT (i think that's when the #blendercoders finish).<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:50 PM, amdbcg <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:amdbcg@gmail.com" target="_blank">amdbcg@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>@Wim: Welcome! Once the meeting time is set, try to
make it to the meeting. You're free to help :D. I'm sure
you've already read the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Guides/Style_Guide"
target="_blank"> Style Guidelines</a> and are familiar
with <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Guides/Templates"
target="_blank">templates</a> for formatting. Your
technical writing skills will be a nice addition to this
team.<br>
<br>
@Board: Just a refresher on SCRUM roles: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_%28development%29#Roles"
target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development)#Roles</a>
. We can switch off roles throughout the year if desired.<br>
<br>
Product/Doc Owner -The "Leader" of the team : I nominate
Kesten since he is organizing a first meeting. <br>
<br>
Scrum Master: I would like to help out with the Scrum
Master since I was posting in the IRC and helped get this
off its feet. If someone else thinks they can also help
fulfill this position, feel free to speak up - An
additional few people to switch off with is always nice.
<br>
<br>
Dev/Doc Team - if you're on the mailing list, this is your
role :<br>
<ol>
<li> At the beginning of each (week/ 2 weeks/ month) ,
you will be given a list of assignments. <br>
</li>
<ol>
<li>Assignments will either be distributed via
dictatorship model, or a first-come-first-serve
model. <br>
</li>
</ol>
<li>After you complete your doc assignment, you will be
expected to review at least 3 other completed docs
from other people in a round-robin fashion.</li>
<li>After a doc's page is reviewed by 3 dev/doc team
members and/or the Product/Doc owner, it will come
off the task list.</li>
<li>A 1-5 day period will be allocated for the dev/doc
team to find 1-4 pages to add to the queue of
assignments for the following week.<br>
</li>
</ol>
If you would like to edit, modify, or critique this
method, feel free to do so. <br>
Perhaps we can use<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=amdbcg%40gmail.com&ctz=America/Chicago"
target="_blank"> Google Calendar</a> for the schedule?
<br>
<br>
@Kesten: The meeting sounds fine. I'm not sure If I can
make it due to my job, but I will try. Can you have
someone take notes? <br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"> <br>
-amdbcg</font></span>
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On 9/3/2012 4:00 PM, Wim Teuling wrote:<br>
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<div><span>Although I am a newbie here, I do have
technical writing and a lot of instructional
material writing experience. I'd like to
participate as well, if allowed. <br>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
amdbcg <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:amdbcg@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><amdbcg@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
Blender Documentation Project <a
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, September 3, 2012 1:53 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki
updating.<br>
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<div>A Scrum meeting sounds excellent.
Wednesday night? what time in UTC? I'm
in the USA (CST -6:00 UTC)<br>
When the meeting takes place, could
someone take notes, summarize, and
post these notes back here? This will
put everyone on the same page. <br>
-amdbcg<br>
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On 9/3/2012 8:38 AM, Kesten Broughton
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">One thing that
would really help with relaxing the
review process and avoid things
getting messed up would be a <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
href="https://share.coursera.org/wiki/index.php?title=ML:Neural_Networks:_Learning&action=history"
target="_blank">history tab</a>.
Many wikis have this and it serves as
a version control of sorts. I believe
it is "built in" to the wiki framework
and should just need enabling.<br>
<br>
This way, at times when our reviewer
to contributor count is too low we
could allow contributions to be pushed
live before review with a note that
"This page needs review" like
wikipedia has. If the new
contribution is really "messed up"
then the change could be reverted (but
not destroyed). <br>
<br>
When our reviewer team is functioning,
then we could tighten up the process
to 'push live".<br>
<br>
I'm currently doing some review for
Jim's work on BGE, but I haven't been
trained by one of the core members, so
i'm not sure if i'm missing anything.
We're also not clear on the procedure
to push live once a page has been
reviewed.<br>
<br>
This page should be used to track our
work in progress.<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki_Tasks/Review_2.6_Manual"
target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki_Tasks/Review_2.6_Manual</a><br>
<br>
My vote is for a wiki-team scrum on
IRC asap where we can hash out a short
term plan for the next month or two
that is satisfactory to all. How
about wed night?<br>
<br>
kesten<br>
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<div>On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:11 AM,
Brecht Van Lommel <span dir="ltr"><<a
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rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:brechtvanlommel@pandora.be"
target="_blank">brechtvanlommel@pandora.be</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
I agree that the review process is
not working, at this point the<br>
community is just too small to
have a process this formal. People<br>
can't take responsibility
immediately, they start first
making small<br>
changes, and later might get more
involved and be ready to take on<br>
responsibility. But there's not
much point in doing that before
they<br>
have worked for a while to
convince themselves and others
that this is<br>
something they want to do.<br>
<br>
Not sure what the right answer is,
but I think the reviewing process<br>
should be relaxed. At least small
changes like documenting a new<br>
option and the type of cleanups
mentioned at the top of manual
pages<br>
should be allowed without review.
Why not do that and have a few<br>
people monitor recent changes? I'd
volunteer for that.<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&limit=500&days=30&target=Doc%3A2.6%2FManual"
target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&limit=500&days=30&target=Doc%3A2.6%2FManual</a><br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
Brecht.<br>
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On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:20
AM, mindrones <<a
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target="_blank">mindrones@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> at least until the end of
September, I will really have
no time to<br>
> follow wiki pages editing
and/or reviewing.<br>
><br>
> Opening up the wiki has
been done already and the mess
that came out<br>
> in a year took months to
be fixed.<br>
> After long discussions we
have preferred to push people
to take<br>
> responsibility instead.<br>
><br>
> We have decided to start
this table<br>
> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles"
target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles</a><br>
> to invite people to take
responsibility for some
particular chapter.<br>
> That table is still kind
of empty though... If you are
active on the<br>
> wiki and want to take
responsibility for a certain
area of the manual,<br>
> just show up there.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
> Let me apologies for the
long silence, I'll try to be
more active and<br>
> read these mail more
often.<br>
> Also, not being able to
talk on IRC nowadays is quite
a big hassle,<br>
> sorry for that.<br>
><br>
> Frankly, if I will
realize that I'm being more of
a burden than a<br>
> help, I'll "resign" from
my role of wiki coordinator
and will let the<br>
> witness to someone else.
In my view Greylica is a good
substitute for<br>
> example, him being quite
enthusiastic and active since
a long time :),<br>
> but that should be
discussed by other admins and
active writers.<br>
><br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> Luca<br>
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